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    Quote Originally Posted by ruby sparks View Post
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    You're the one who brings them into every conversation...
    That was exactly my point. Why is it left to me to do that? Any when I do bring them up, why are they not given due and serious consideration along with other supernatural entities such as god? Anything woo, taken without critical reasoning, is surely dangerous.
    Woo is not dangerous because there isn't any woo. People are dangerous when they think woo is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ruby sparks View Post
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    You're the one who brings them into every conversation...
    That was exactly my point. Why is it left to me to do that? Any when I do bring them up, why are they not given due and serious consideration along with other supernatural entities such as god? Anything woo, taken without critical reasoning, is surely dangerous.
    Woo is not dangerous because there isn't any woo. People are dangerous when they think woo is real.
    Are you making an empirical claim?

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    Here's an empirical claim: religionists torturing and executing each other; religionists torturing and executing the unrighteous (i.e., anyone with a fairy tale different from the local flavor); religionists denying others basic civil rights; religionists assaulting science and the education establishment. All of this has historical precedent and, depending on your position on the globe, current application. And I didn't even mention the American televangelist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ideologyhunter View Post
    Here's an empirical claim: religionists torturing and executing each other; religionists torturing and executing the unrighteous (i.e., anyone with a fairy tale different from the local flavor); religionists denying others basic civil rights; religionists assaulting science and the education establishment. All of this has historical precedent and, depending on your position on the globe, current application. And I didn't even mention the American televangelist.
    So you are claiming simply that "religionists" do these things, or that they are more likely to do these things?

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    It's always a noodge in the wrong direction when humans think they have an infallible claim on revealed truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ideologyhunter View Post
    It's always a noodge in the wrong direction when humans think they have an infallible claim on revealed truth.
    Or that they are inherently better than someone else because of the things they do or do not believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post

    Woo is not dangerous because there isn't any woo. People are dangerous when they think woo is real.
    Are you making an empirical claim?
    If I think the neighbor's house is painted and unlucky color it doesn't change anything. If I go over to their house and start painting over that unlucky color then I have created a problem.

    So, yes, the danger of acting out one's woo can be quantified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
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    Woo is not dangerous because there isn't any woo. People are dangerous when they think woo is real.
    Are you making an empirical claim?
    If I think the neighbor's house is painted and unlucky color it doesn't change anything. If I go over to their house and start painting over that unlucky color then I have created a problem.

    So, yes, the danger of acting out one's woo can be quantified.
    Has it been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post

    If I think the neighbor's house is painted and unlucky color it doesn't change anything. If I go over to their house and start painting over that unlucky color then I have created a problem.

    So, yes, the danger of acting out one's woo can be quantified.
    Has it been?
    Quite a few children have died or been crippled because their parents refused common medical procedures because of their woo beliefs.

    Jihadists have killed "infidels" because their religious leaders have convinced them it is their ticket to heaven.

    Jim Jones led hundreds to their death with his particular brand of woo.

    Televangelists pray on and fleece many who can not afford the donations they are convinced they need to send in.

    Of course, there is idiotic things done by people for reasons other than woo too but those are and should be condemned just as the woo inspired idiotic actions should be condemned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post

    If I think the neighbor's house is painted and unlucky color it doesn't change anything. If I go over to their house and start painting over that unlucky color then I have created a problem.

    So, yes, the danger of acting out one's woo can be quantified.
    Has it been?
    Quite a few children have died or been crippled because their parents refused common medical procedures because of their woo beliefs.

    Jihadists have killed "infidels" because their religious leaders have convinced them it is their ticket to heaven.

    Jim Jones led hundreds to their death with his particular brand of woo.

    Televangelists pray on and fleece many who can not afford the donations they are convinced they need to send in.

    Of course, there is idiotic things done by people for reasons other than woo too but those are and should be condemned just as the woo inspired idiotic actions should be condemned.
    I agree. But you seem to be not connecting some dots at the end there.

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