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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    You're not addressing the point at all.
    You're done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    You're saying that those who can't shoot at a very elite level shouldn't be allowed guns.
    Stuff that straw!
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    You're not addressing the point at all.
    You're done.
    Simply declaring yourself victor without addressing the issues doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

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    You're not addressing the point at all.
    You're done.
    Simply declaring yourself victor without addressing the issues doesn't work.
    No, simply pretending that I haven't already addressed every single issue ten fucking times over and provided the best, most reliable evidence and argumentation to support it doesn't work.

    You can have a .22 handgun for self protection (with as many clips as you can carry); a non-lethal shotgun for home protection; any number of other forms of non-lethal defensive weapons/bunkering precautions as your paranoid heart desires; and a single shot/bolt-action hunting rifle. As with any such weaponry, it will all need to be registered and you'll have to prove competent to use/care/store them every year.

    That is a sane gun policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
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    Simply declaring yourself victor without addressing the issues doesn't work.
    No, simply pretending that I haven't already addressed every single issue ten fucking times over and provided the best, most reliable evidence and argumentation to support it doesn't work.

    You can have a .22 handgun for self protection (with as many clips as you can carry); a non-lethal shotgun for home protection; any number of other forms of non-lethal defensive weapons/bunkering precautions as your paranoid heart desires; and a single shot/bolt-action hunting rifle. As with any such weaponry, it will all need to be registered and you'll have to prove competent to use/care/store them every year.

    That is a sane gun policy.
    You still haven't addressed the fact that your expectation of "competent" is a level only attainable by professionals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    You can have a .22 handgun for self protection (with as many clips as you can carry)
    This is hard-evidence that anyone can lookup for themselves that Koy is incapable of learning from others, and therefore whose opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, so to speak. The simple case of not knowing the difference between a cartridge, a round, a bullet, a magazine, a clip, and probably a bandoleer too... being corrected clearly and simply in the past for him... in this very thread... but he just simply repeats his same mistakes over and over again... He does not read what you write so no need to bother discussing this topic with him.. as evidenced with his inability to adjust any aspect of his argument, even when he is simply using words wrong and can correct those mistakes without changing his opinion.

    I learned something new from this thread.. that "varmint rounds" are good for defending the interior of commercial aircraft... never thought about that use before, but it sounds like that special use case is a good fit. Now if everyone can just live inside of airplanes their whole lives, then we can agree with Koy that .22's are all any civilian ever needs for anything ever.

    What did anyone else learn from all this? Koy? anything at all? Have you even bothered to learn the difference between a magazine and a clip yet? Or will you continue to have strong feelings about things you have weak knowledge about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    You still haven't addressed the fact that your expectation of "competent" is a level only attainable by professionals.
    First, professionals are people, so why wouldn't a amateur user of a firearm be unable to attain that "competent" level? Second, what is wrong with wanting those who use a weapon to be "competent"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    You still haven't addressed the fact that your expectation of "competent" is a level only attainable by professionals.
    First, professionals are people, so why wouldn't a amateur user of a firearm be unable to attain that "competent" level? Second, what is wrong with wanting those who use a weapon to be "competent"?
    I have met a few people who could never be competent enough to operate a firearm safely..."competently". There are people who just can't get it through their heads to "simply" keep their finger off the trigger until they are ready to fire... they just rest their finger on the trigger where it wants to naturally lay, but that is incorrect... and some people seem to have an inability to pay sufficient attention to what their own fingers are doing... just continuously "rest" their index finger right on the trigger, completely obliviously.
    Those people can never reach an adequate level of competence to carry in public, in my opinion... they WILL shoot themselves or someone else, eventually.

    I get it... there are those that are just not put together in such a way as to ever be a safe handler of a firearm.

    People like some of those participating in this thread that seem to never be capable of learning new things or considering new ideas.... those people should never be allowed to own a handgun.. if they think its ok to point it in an unsafe direction because they just know in the deepest part of their hearts that the gun is currently not loaded... that is something someone that "just already knows everything" might do. (hint: it's never ok to do that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    I returned to this thread to see if there was anything new. There isn't. Ya'll are just talking past each other using the same old arguments over and over and over again. yawn.

    It seems Koy is still passionate about his favorite kid-friendly round.. the classic ("Red Ranger") .22 caliber toy cartridge.
    LP is still upset with "competent" as well. Threads on guns and Israel usually go nowhere.

    Yes, idiots can do less harm with less power. obviously. I guess the national highway speed limit should be changed to 25 Mph.. because there are people out there that shouldn't drive any faster than that due to their cognitive or physical limitations. Legislate to the lowest data point one can find...
    This is perhaps the less thought out comparison as it does speak to Koy's point better than yours. Speed limits are generally restricted for most travel between 25 and 40 mph. This number increases only outside of populated areas.

    We build special roads call 'limited access highways' to provide the ability to drive much faster, upwards of 75 to 80 mph legally, because even though people don't require special licenses for higher speed, there are complications with volume and safety driving 80 mph on one lane each way roads. And these speeds are still well below the capabilities a much higher powered vehicles. And those cars are not road legal. Yes, there are faster vehicles, Porches, Ferrari, but these vehicles are terribly out numbered.

    So why are guns still one of the only things where we aren't allowed to bring risk into the picture regarding ownership.
    Last edited by Jimmy Higgins; 02-17-2020 at 09:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    You can have a .22 handgun for self protection (with as many clips as you can carry)
    This is hard-evidence that anyone can lookup for themselves that Koy is incapable of learning from others, and therefore whose opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, so to speak.
    Irony. Big fan.

    The simple case of not knowing the difference between a cartridge, a round, a bullet, a magazine, a clip,
    Oh ffs. I know precisely what the differences are, I just don't give a fuck that you have some idiotic pet peeve about calling a magazine a clip. It's irrelevant pedantic horseshit that has zero to do with any argument I have made and a pathetic attempt at an argument from condescension and I have deliberately been using it ever since for that reason.

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