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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    Why is it being called Young Earth Creationism when it's just Anti-scientific Creationism?
    Because there is also Old Earth Creationism and even Theistic Evolution that are also anti-science, but differ in what scientific ideas they reject, and whether they accept everything in the Bible as literal truth or cherry pick which parts that want to take literally and which they will arbitrarily say are meant metaphorically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    The Flat Earth Society members probably believe that the rest of society is suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect, that they themselves are immune....being select members of 'in the know' group, and all.
    Isn't that how a cult operates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    The Flat Earth Society members probably believe that the rest of society is suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect, that they themselves are immune....being select members of 'in the know' group, and all.
    Isn't that how a cult operates?
    It's certainly what causes trumpsuckers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    The Flat Earth Society members probably believe that the rest of society is suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect, that they themselves are immune....being select members of 'in the know' group, and all.
    Isn't that how a cult operates?
    No doubt...including political parties and economists apparently.

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    with the focus of discussion wanting to be about what "can seem" plausible, the answer is anything whatsoever that a person desires, that person can find "plausible" TO THEM.

    A magician can make it seem like things are able to simply disappear before your eyes
    A Politician can make it seem like his opponent is trying to kill you through legislation
    A Preacher can make it seem like your very thoughts can hurt others
    A Teacher can make it seem like the study of a skill is attainable
    A Carpenter can make it seem like two pieces of wood were carved from one.


    what "can seem" plausible is not a measure of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    ....what "can seem" plausible is not a measure of anything.
    I think it is related to how popular an idea is.

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    No, it's not a matter of popularity. The notion of plausibility or reasonableness is very much a part of probability, logic and rational thinking.

    For example, we employ the concept of plausibility when we consider whether the premiss of an argument is more plausible than its negation. Or which is the best (most plausible) explanation for a set of known facts.

    It's 'plausible' that the universe began to exist.
    Is this claim more or less plausible than its negation that the universe did not begin to exist - has always existed.

    It's 'plausible' that the coming into existence of the universe was caused.
    Is this claim more or less plausible than its negation - that the universe spontaneously popped into existence.

    It's plausible that the cause of the universe coming into existence was intentional (volition).
    Is this claim more or less plausible than its negation - that the advent of the universe was simultaneously unintentional and inevitable. (In which case, why did that unintentional inevitable first cause of the universe wait so long to cause the universe?)

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    Related to plausibility and reasonableness is the concept of properly basic belief..

    "...In classical foundationalism, beliefs are held to be properly basic if they are either self-evident axioms, or evident to the senses."
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_belief

    It's plausible that we and all reality are just a figment of someone else's (brain in a vat) imagination. It's plausible that yesterday didn't actually happen.
    But are these claims more plausible than their negation. We have a properly basic belief that reality is really real and that we think therefore we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    No, it's not a matter of popularity. The notion of plausibility or reasonableness is very much a part of probability, logic and rational thinking.

    For example, we employ the concept of plausibility when we consider whether the premiss of an argument is more plausible than its negation. Or which is the best (most plausible) explanation for a set of known facts.....
    Ok. BTW I found it interesting that earlier you said this:
    https://talkfreethought.org/showthre...l=1#post755199
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    The young earth creationist has to invoke more miracles than the old earth creationist.
    But both views are still more plausible than the non-theistic alternative.

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    Yep.
    And I have asked many young earthers why they want to make such an intellectually heavy rod for their own back when old earth creationism much easier to defend, AND...
    old/young earthism has nothing to do with salvation (soteriology) or fidelity to Jesus Christ.

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