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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Aside from not discussing what the staffer said, which is the point, there is another aspect to consider.

    Warren has already shown that in order to revive her lagging campaign, she'll accuse Bernie of sexism. Would she use this? Well, maybe. It would mean giving credibility to Project Veritas, which she doesn't want to do. OTOH she is willing to accuse Bernie of some of the most ridiculous charges. OTOH she probably wouldn't want to object to strenuously given that she's basically Hillary wearing a Bernie mask.

    But if Warren doesn't use it, and if Bernie makes it to the general election, does anyone think Trump won't use this? Seriously. Even if every single Democrat refuses to even look at the recordings, does anyone think Trump wouldn't spread this far and wide at every opportunity? Like it or not, this hurts Bernie.
    He already made a big mistake in the response. Maybe he'll take it back and apologize, but the damage is done - not by Warren, but by himself.

    See https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...esident-warren

    As for the OP, sure that's bad, but surely not Gulags levels of bad. At any rate, if Sanders were to become president (extremely improbable in my view), there would be no Gulags, regardless of what this particular staffer wants. So, criticism is good, but let's not exaggerate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    When you're the only presidential candidate that appeals to actual leftists, there will be actual leftists of all stripes in your ranks, including communists, but most communists will not vote for Bernie because Bernie is anti-communist for the most part. I will hold my nose and vote for him, because I believe his movement can make good things happen. But he's not a communist or even necessarily a socialist, because he has no vision for transitioning from capitalism to something else beyond passing laws, which has never worked.
    I think this is right. Bernie is going to get some of the far (horseshoe) left in his camp, seeing as he tends to be left of the other candidates. However, in Canada, he would just be considered a center Liberal. In fact, a Canadian far right media company suggested that a Mayor Pete type would make a great replacement for a conservative leader here.

    I'm sure you can find a nutbar in any campaign. The right wingers here on this board do that a lot - Find a crazy person who may hold left wing views and conflate every non Trump cult member with them, amazingly forgetting that there have been a few "off-beat" right wingers creating a stir from time to time (I'm sure we could come up with a few examples - but it's a stupid game to begin with))

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    When you're the only presidential candidate that appeals to actual leftists, there will be actual leftists of all stripes in your ranks, including communists, but most communists will not vote for Bernie because Bernie is anti-communist for the most part. I will hold my nose and vote for him, because I believe his movement can make good things happen. But he's not a communist or even necessarily a socialist, because he has no vision for transitioning from capitalism to something else beyond passing laws, which has never worked.
    You're saying that you'll vote for BS because his movement can make good things happen. However, he doesn't have vision, and passing "anything" without vision has never worked? I'm not following you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    When you're the only presidential candidate that appeals to actual leftists, there will be actual leftists of all stripes in your ranks, including communists, but most communists will not vote for Bernie because Bernie is anti-communist for the most part. I will hold my nose and vote for him, because I believe his movement can make good things happen. But he's not a communist or even necessarily a socialist, because he has no vision for transitioning from capitalism to something else beyond passing laws, which has never worked.
    You're saying that you'll vote for BS because his movement can make good things happen. However, he doesn't have vision, and passing "anything" without vision has never worked? I'm not following you.
    Sanders isn't left enough for PyramidHead, but it is the best option for the discriminating communist. As a note, I believe PyramidHead is a Communist. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    James O'Keefe is the source of the claim? Great.
    Not a claim but a recording.
    Okay... are we really supposed to believe that you are completely ignorant of O'Keefe's edit hatch jobs of the past? If so, why would you want to expose yourself for being so undeniably out of touch with anything regarding politics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    When you're the only presidential candidate that appeals to actual leftists, there will be actual leftists of all stripes in your ranks, including communists, but most communists will not vote for Bernie because Bernie is anti-communist for the most part. I will hold my nose and vote for him, because I believe his movement can make good things happen. But he's not a communist or even necessarily a socialist, because he has no vision for transitioning from capitalism to something else beyond passing laws, which has never worked.
    You're saying that you'll vote for BS because his movement can make good things happen. However, he doesn't have vision, and passing "anything" without vision has never worked? I'm not following you.
    Sanders isn't left enough for PyramidHead, but it is the best option for the discriminating communist. As a note, I believe PyramidHead is a Communist. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
    I don't want to speak for him, but it's my understanding that he's a classic socialist. Ie he believes that the means of production should be owned and regulated by the community as a whole. Communism is where means of production are owned by the state. Socialism is ownership by the community or collective. I apologize in advance if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    James O'Keefe is the source of the claim? Great.
    Not a claim but a recording.
    Okay... are we really supposed to believe that you are completely ignorant of O'Keefe's edit hatch jobs of the past? If so, why would you want to expose yourself for being so undeniably out of touch with anything regarding politics?
    I am familiar, but if you want to assert that these recordings are deceptively edited then you need to go ahead and assert that these recordings are deceptively edited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    I was told that my third party vote in California is the reason Hillary lost Pennsylvania
    When you listen to idiots you become an idiot.

    but I never accepted the guilt of supporting a two party system the way you did.
    What makes you think I ever experienced such guilt, let alone "accepted" it?
    FYI I have spent the vast majority of my life sans party affiliation. Telling you that just so you don't make the same mistake again.
    FWIW, if I was in a very blue or very red State, I might well cast a vote for a third party candidate - especially if that candidate's platform included getting rid of the electoral college.
    But this is about gulags, right?
    At this point I'd support some gulags - for Trump, Pence, Barr, McConnell, Graham, Jordan, Nunes, Mulva, Munchkin and many others - there's a long list of treasonous co-conspirators who need to be brought to account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Sanders isn't left enough for PyramidHead, but it is the best option for the discriminating communist. As a note, I believe PyramidHead is a Communist. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
    I don't want to speak for him, but it's my understanding that he's a classic socialist. Ie he believes that the means of production should be owned and regulated by the community as a whole. Communism is where means of production are owned by the state. Socialism is ownership by the community or collective. I apologize in advance if I'm wrong.
    Okay, that works. In either case, Sanders to him is a capitalist sellout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Sanders isn't left enough for PyramidHead, but it is the best option for the discriminating communist. As a note, I believe PyramidHead is a Communist. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
    I don't want to speak for him, but it's my understanding that he's a classic socialist. Ie he believes that the means of production should be owned and regulated by the community as a whole. Communism is where means of production are owned by the state. Socialism is ownership by the community or collective. I apologize in advance if I'm wrong.
    Okay, that works. In either case, Sanders to him is a capitalist sellout.
    That's why we need Bloomberg. Right?

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