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    Am I the only one who caught this?

    On January 8, 2020, Iranian missiles hit the Ain al-Asad air base in Iraq. There were no reported casualties. Seven days later, the President appears at a campaign rally in Milwaukee, where he talks about the raid and says, "And an hour later or so, we get a call back. I said, how many killed? Nobody, sir. I said, how many hurt? They said, nobody, sir."

    So the President directly quotes the person who briefed him on the attack on US personnel. However, there were casualties and the President was told there were none, by an unidentified person. Seven days later, he had still not been told the truth.


    As far as I know, not a single Senator or Congressman has questioned how this happened, or asked if any other information supplied by the military can be trusted.

    But it wasn't Trump who lied. It was his poorly informed imaginary friend who calls him Sir. Now, we have more than a few choices here. Maybe the President knew there were casualties and lied for an unknown reason. Maybe the President had no idea what happened and lied about being told there were no casualties. Maybe a military officer lied to the President, for unknown reasons.

    One will notice there have been no calls to investigate imaginary friend, the person who misinformed the President and caused the President to give false information to the American public. This is really what it comes down to. If any President in history had gone before cameras and recited information given to him in a military briefing, which later turned out to be false, heads would roll. Congress would demand to know how this happened and if the military had distributed other false information to the civilian government.

    None of this has happened for one simple reason. No one expects Donald Trump to speak the truth. It's no surprise when he fabricates stories to suit the moment. This is known to his supporters and opponents, alike.

    The best lies are plausible lies. Don't say,"The dog ate my homework," when the teacher knows you don't have a dog. There's the rub. Maybe Soleimani was a clear and present danger to American citizens, maybe not. The problem is, the only justification for the killing of Soleimani comes from a President who claims the man was reported to be doing bad things. We know Trump does not read reports, so these reports had to be personal briefings. However, Trump lies about what he is told in briefings.

    It fun to dance around and sing, "Ding dong, the wicked terrorist is dead," and it certainly deflects attention away from the real issue. We have an incompetent President who can't keep his shit straight.

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    I don't think it's politically smart for the Democrats to attack him for this. Instead, I am hoping soldiers and families will speak up. Then, the top brass will say something or obstruct him/resign. Think of it like this: families became aware of casualties. It's out. They have no reason to keep it secret and may be pissed off. Conspiracies are hard to keep quiet. A bottom up truth to power looks better than Democrats forcing the issue top-down at people who might not be ready to resist or speak up.

    In case you can't tell, I am going with him lying. I was suspicious of this when he made a televised statement on this. There were brass in the back. A general to the right looked shocked when Trump said this and kept looking around paranoid.* Not to mention the usual claims that are hard to believe...

    * play video at link. Watch the officer to our right of Trump. He should be still. Either watching Trump or eyes front. When Trump says something off, he reacts with his eyes:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...-soleimani.amp
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    It's what you said, people are used to hearing these lies repeatedly. It's also that Trump is surrounded by equally adept liars and cheats and political supporters.

    Maybe once the Parnas material is digested we can add on a few more charges, like perjury.

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    It is by the fascist playbook, lie about everything that is inconvenient.

    The only thing that we, who feel that reality is a better basis for policy than ideology and conspiracy theories, have going in our favor is the sheer incompetence of Trump and the syncopates he surrounds himself with.

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    There was a story the other day about soldiers who were injured being moved to hospitals outside Iraq.

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/us-t...-strike-2020-1

    The injuries must have been significant to be so long termed as this many days and need special care. Someone asked Trump today about it and he said they have "headaches."

    Trump downplays service members' concussions: I heard they had headachesPresident Donald Trump said he does not consider potential brain injuries to be as serious as physical combat wounds, downplaying the severity of US service members being treated for concussion symptoms from an Iranian attack as "headaches."
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/polit...ns-sot-vpx.cnn

    Just to go back to that video I linked to...
    Trump: "...no Americans were harmed..."

    Yeah, this is a scandal. He'll claim national security though. Can't let the enemy know you can wound them.
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    He said today he does not think traumatic head injuries are really injuries.

    By now we all know it is modus operandi. He will use and destroy anybody and anything to maintain his self image.

    This takes me back to the Vietnam era and the government lies.

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    If I were that General, I'd resign. People are going to be asking questions soon why he was moving his eyes at Trump like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    He said today he does not think traumatic head injuries are really injuries.

    By now we all know it is modus operandi. He will use and destroy anybody and anything to maintain his self image.

    This takes me back to the Vietnam era and the government lies.
    That's actually a symptom of a traumatic head injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    He said today he does not think traumatic head injuries are really injuries.
    I prefer wounded who were actually wounded, you know? Sucking chest wounds, or bone spurs, maybe a compound fracture.
    What's a head wound? Really? When I played football, a head wound wouldn't even get you benched.

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    I have gotten to know a VN combat vet in my buildings. He carries the scars of multiple wounds. Almost lost his arm. Still has problems with PTSD.

    He described what it was like seeing someone blown apart by a mine in front of him.


    What is there to say, Trump is a pig who thinks nothing of using the wounded for political ends. A disgusting human being.

    I feel sorry for the military leadership who has to put up with it.

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