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    Republicans Always "Narrowly Win"...

    ...wherever there is electoral funny business going on.
    Anyone else think there might be something strange about that?

    Hackers may have gained ‘almost total control’ of an election server in Georgia, report says

    Republican Brian Kemp narrowly beat Democrat Stacey Abrams during the 2018 gubernatorial race, in which he ran while serving as Georgia’s secretary of state....
    “We know there was no way to audit” the results of the previous elections, Ms Marks said. “There was no … attempt at accountability by the secretary of state, and the entire programming of elections was outsourced.”

    “What Logan’s findings show us,” she added, “is that vulnerabilities were not just hypothetical as the state had been claiming. Now we know that it was a very real risk, but what we don’t know is just how bad did it get. And the public deserves to know.”
    Kinda reminiscent of those 3 precincts in Ohio that Bush "won" by the exact same percentage, while exit polling indicated that he had lost.
    It's not news that Republicans cheat, nor is it news that they are proud of it, considering their ability and willingness to cheat an indication that they are "smart".
    Still, it's sad commentary on the state of the Republic, and on the nature of humanity in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    ...wherever there is electoral funny business going on.
    Anyone else think there might be something strange about that?

    Hackers may have gained ‘almost total control’ of an election server in Georgia, report says

    Republican Brian Kemp narrowly beat Democrat Stacey Abrams during the 2018 gubernatorial race, in which he ran while serving as Georgia’s secretary of state....
    “We know there was no way to audit” the results of the previous elections, Ms Marks said. “There was no … attempt at accountability by the secretary of state, and the entire programming of elections was outsourced.”

    “What Logan’s findings show us,” she added, “is that vulnerabilities were not just hypothetical as the state had been claiming. Now we know that it was a very real risk, but what we don’t know is just how bad did it get. And the public deserves to know.”
    Kinda reminiscent of those 3 precincts in Ohio that Bush "won" by the exact same percentage, while exit polling indicated that he had lost.
    It's not news that Republicans cheat, nor is it news that they are proud of it, considering their ability and willingness to cheat an indication that they are "smart".
    Still, it's sad commentary on the state of the Republic, and on the nature of humanity in general.
    It's an inevitable consequence of abandoning the security and auditability of paper ballots, in favour of the speed, convenience and modernity of voting by machine.

    The ONLY important criterion when designing an electoral system is security of the result - it should accurately reflect the voting intentions of those who cast a ballot. To sacrifice even to a minuscule degree the secure accuracy and integrity of the result in pursuit of trivial secondary criteria, such as speed or cost, is to abandon democracy.

    Machine voting is a dangerous fad, which is why it hasn't been widely adopted outside the USA. It's particularly needless in US presidential ballots, where history has left a legacy of many weeks between voting and inauguration - I know CNN, CBS, NBC, et al. want to be able to call the election within a few hours of the close of the polls on the East Coast; But that journalistic desire is not more important than ensuring that the victory is handed to the actual winner.

    Or rather, it is, but shouldn't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    ...wherever there is electoral funny business going on.
    Anyone else think there might be something strange about that?

    Hackers may have gained ‘almost total control’ of an election server in Georgia, report says

    Republican Brian Kemp narrowly beat Democrat Stacey Abrams during the 2018 gubernatorial race, in which he ran while serving as Georgia’s secretary of state....
    “We know there was no way to audit” the results of the previous elections, Ms Marks said. “There was no … attempt at accountability by the secretary of state, and the entire programming of elections was outsourced.”

    “What Logan’s findings show us,” she added, “is that vulnerabilities were not just hypothetical as the state had been claiming. Now we know that it was a very real risk, but what we don’t know is just how bad did it get. And the public deserves to know.”
    Kinda reminiscent of those 3 precincts in Ohio that Bush "won" by the exact same percentage, while exit polling indicated that he had lost.
    It's not news that Republicans cheat, nor is it news that they are proud of it, considering their ability and willingness to cheat an indication that they are "smart".
    Still, it's sad commentary on the state of the Republic, and on the nature of humanity in general.
    It's an inevitable consequence of abandoning the security and auditability of paper ballots, in favour of the speed, convenience and modernity of voting by machine.

    The ONLY important criterion when designing an electoral system is security of the result - it should accurately reflect the voting intentions of those who cast a ballot. To sacrifice even to a minuscule degree the secure accuracy and integrity of the result in pursuit of trivial secondary criteria, such as speed or cost, is to abandon democracy.

    Machine voting is a dangerous fad, which is why it hasn't been widely adopted outside the USA. It's particularly needless in US presidential ballots, where history has left a legacy of many weeks between voting and inauguration - I know CNN, CBS, NBC, et al. want to be able to call the election within a few hours of the close of the polls on the East Coast; But that journalistic desire is not more important than ensuring that the victory is handed to the actual winner.

    Or rather, it is, but shouldn't be.
    It has been the exclusive province of Republicans to cheat in US elections for the last couple of decades. They have become a minority party. They are becoming more and more outnumbered, and losing independents as well, as demographics are changing.
    As it stands today, Democrats only need elections to be fair in order to win. Republicans need elections to be rigged, and have no qualms about rigging them in every way possible. Now, with El Cheato himself at the helm they don't have to disguise their intent, or even their illegal actions.

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    Republicans are for voter ID's to make sure no fraudulent voting is taking place. Democrats are against voter ID laws because they want anyone to be able to vote without an ID. To me, this is a form of cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Republicans are for voter ID's to make sure no fraudulent voting is taking place.
    Bullshit. It's to make sure the poor can't vote. But Republicans don't have the balls to call it as it is, so they make up a phony crisis, specifically voter fraud running rampant

    Texas had more stringent requirements in 2014 — it required a photo ID to vote. Fraga and Miller estimate that voters without an ID in 2016 were 14 percentage points less likely to vote in Texas two years earlier than individuals who voted with an ID in 2016.
    But because you only get your "facts" from youtube:



    I figured using a fake TV show to address your fake problem seems appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Republicans are for voter ID's to make sure no fraudulent voting is taking place.
    Bullshit. It's to make sure the poor can't vote. But Republicans don't have the balls to call it as it is, so they make up a phony crisis, specifically voter fraud running rampant

    Texas had more stringent requirements in 2014 — it required a photo ID to vote. Fraga and Miller estimate that voters without an ID in 2016 were 14 percentage points less likely to vote in Texas two years earlier than individuals who voted with an ID in 2016.
    But because you only get your "facts" from youtube:



    I figured using a fake TV show to address your fake problem seems appropriate.
    Wait, Republicans are doing this so the poor can't vote? Are you saying all the poor states in the South can't vote because they are too poor?

    Then why do you guys claim those "poor uneducated people" are the ones who vote for Trump?

    Are they suppressing the poor vote or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Wait, Republicans are doing this so the poor can't vote? Are you saying all the poor states in the South can't vote because they are too poor?

    Then why do you guys claim those "poor uneducated people" are the ones who vote for Trump?

    Are they suppressing the poor vote or not?
    But the poor R voters have drivers' licenses because they have to drive their F150s. The over-educated adjunct gender studies professors that always vote D don't because they take the bus and don't know how to avail themselves of the free voter either. Or something.

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    Do Republicans ALWAYS narrowly win? Or even statistically significantly more often? Do you have any data?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    It's to make sure the poor can't vote. But Republicans don't have the balls to call it as it is, so they make up a phony crisis, specifically voter fraud running rampant.
    There are still some nitwits who actually believe Trump's line about 3 million illegal immigrant votes for Hillary. That is the very core of "the base" (aka "alqaeida" in Arabic).
    The rest of them are simply dishonest. They don't mind cheating and lying about it - it's what their Dear Leader has demanded of them. Balls to proclaim their status as cheaters are not really an issue; they have a shining orange example of how to pretend. OTOH I can't think of an instance of a Democrat winning a state or national election where fraud was credibly alleged to have played into the outcome, and the election was being run by the candidate.
    People are getting sick of being dominated by the thieving minority, but the perversion of democracy is so nearly complete that there is little chance of getting rid of them... it's sad for anyone who grew up appreciating freedom and opportunity. Especially if one's parents risked their lives in wars to preserve the democratic system that is currently being dismantled by the extreme right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Wait, Republicans are doing this so the poor can't vote? Are you saying all the poor states in the South can't vote because they are too poor?

    Then why do you guys claim those "poor uneducated people" are the ones who vote for Trump?

    Are they suppressing the poor vote or not?
    But the poor R voters have drivers' licenses because they have to drive their F150s. The over-educated adjunct gender studies professors that always vote D don't because they take the bus and don't know how to avail themselves of the free voter either. Or something.
    Close, but no cigar. As I've heard it explained, the poor white people (who vote Republican) have IDs because they can use the internet to look up where the DMV is. The poor black people (who vote Democrat) don't have IDs because the internet is inaccessible and too complicated for them. Its all explained in this video by helpful white liberal college kids.

    P.S. Pay no attention to the last half of the video where the black people are talking out of line.


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