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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    The problem is that government funding means that everyone is eligible. For the government to be able choose which 'group' is to be rewarded with funds and which denied gives the government undue power. The constitutional method of denying government funds to religious schools is for the government to not fund any schools. Otherwise, the religious would have the power to deny funds to non-religious schools if they are in power.

    It is pretty much like if the government is allowed the power to deny the right to stage a protest to groups that is determined to be undesirable means that the government has been given the power to deny anyone's right to protest, even when (or if) that undesirable group is in power.
    That's errant nonsense.

    The underlying premise - that matters of opinion cannot ever be chosen between by government - is tripe.

    There are facts. That some people want their counterfactual opinions to be given equal weight with factual opinions is no cause to actually do so. Any school that makes the teaching of fictional claims the centrepiece of its efforts can and should be excluded from government funding.

    Opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one, and mostly they're full of shit. But the premise that all opinions are of equal quality or validity, or that government must not, should not, or cannot discriminate between fact based and fiction based opinions, is post modernist horseshit.

    It's neither necessary nor reasonable to let the stupid and ignorant have an equal say with the intelligent and educated in how society is run.

    We can actually determine objectively whether or not plants crave the electrolytes in Brawndo, so asking for public opinion on the question is neither useful nor wise.
    the schools are not receiving the funds, parents are receiving the funds. That they choose to pass those funds over to religious private schools versus non-religious private schools is not a matter for our government to decide. It's like arguing that Social Security benefits for churchgoers should be withheld because of what those religious people might choose to purchase with the funds might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    The problem is that government funding means that everyone is eligible. For the government to be able choose which 'group' is to be rewarded with funds and which denied gives the government undue power. The constitutional method of denying government funds to religious schools is for the government to not fund any schools. Otherwise, the religious would have the power to deny funds to non-religious schools if they are in power.

    It is pretty much like if the government is allowed the power to deny the right to stage a protest to groups that is determined to be undesirable means that the government has been given the power to deny anyone's right to protest, even when (or if) that undesirable group is in power.
    That's errant nonsense.
    And you would think that because you ignored what I actually wrote.

    In the U.S. the federal government does not run the schools. The local government does. A central concept in the U.S. is that everyone is treated equally, even if a group has contrary beliefs to those who happen to be in power in Washington at that particular time.

    In the scary event that evangelical christians happen to be elected to power in Washington, I certainly wouldn't want them to have the power to decide to only supply funds to religious schools but not the non-religious schools.
    It's not quite this simple. Most government funding comes with some strings attached. For instance, if a school wants gov monies, they can not discriminate based on any of the protected categories of the 1964 civil rights act. This is why most religious schools currently don't take government funds. They want to be able to not allow non-catholics, for instance, so they cannot legally accept federal funding (some states have exemptions).

    I am going to have to read the details of this case, as I am not familiar with what aspect of the current funding is being challenged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldtraveller View Post
    if a school wants gov monies, they can not discriminate based on any of the protected categories of the 1964 civil rights act.
    NO SCHOOL IS RECEIVING A PENNY FROM THE GOVERNMENT FROM THIS.
    This is why most religious schools currently don't take government funds.
    NO SCHOOL IS RECEIVING A PENNY FROM THE GOVERNMENT FROM THIS.

    They want to be able to not allow non-catholics, for instance, so they cannot legally accept federal funding (some states have exemptions).
    NO SCHOOL IS RECEIVING A PENNY FROM THE GOVERNMENT FROM THIS
    I am not familiar with what aspect of the current funding is being challenged.
    People seem to be challenging religious schools getting funds from parents who choose to send their children there, if the money the parents have to spend on school has come from a government program. So like food stamps can't be used to buy Manischewitz or wafers... something like that...

    So if this is inappropropriate (it's not), then so is funding education with social security payments, or government pensions, or tax refunds too because reasons...

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