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Thread: The Democratic Party (and media) are going after Bernie

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    That's just lazy. We gonna ignore the Republican Primary? And is repeatedly saying it was a "historically easy presidential election" enough going to make it so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    This is what passes for trenchant analysis for Bernie bros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    "Know for sure"? What does that even mean and where did I claim absolute surety? I said it was clear and non-controversial. Non-controversial in this context means not unexpected.
    Non-controversial doesn't mean unexpected. It means that there is no controversy over it. The discussion about it here disproves that claim.
    And you made a categorical claim that Bernie can't win, not something weaker like "he is less likely to win than Biden". I expect a certain degree of certainty when somebody makes such a categorical claim.

    Once again, for anyone who actually understands American politics, the fact that he is Jewish--and comes across as a "New York Jew" in particular--is a serious problem across ALL demographics, regardless of party affiliation and that's just right out of the gate, not accounting for his policy proposals. That means that there is going to be--not might be, but already exists--a certain percentage of Democrats that will simply not vote for him.
    Same goes for Obama (black) and Hillary (a woman). Same went for Kennedy (Catholic). Should we only run white Anglo-Saxon Protestant men in perpetuity because some fraction of voters might not like X?

    This is precisely why Putin targeted primarily minorities in order to suppress their vote.
    Russian propaganda stoking #BLM discontent was a stroke of evil genius, but I do not see how it hurts only Sanders.

    Hence, why, once again, among people who understand American politics, it is both clear and non-controversial to state that he can't beat Trump.
    Because he is Jewish? Really? In 2008 you probably made a similar argument about how Obama "can't beat" WASPy McCain.
    At most you are arguing that his ethnoreligious affiliation would make it harder for him to win than say Biden. That may or may not be true (I think his ideology is a much bigger hurdle than ethnicity or religion) but it doesn't translate into impossibility. And your analysis is directly contradicted by head-to-head polling, which shows Bernie doing comparably or better against Trump than other front-runners.


    Once again, he could NOT beat Hillary.
    And yet HE DID beat Hillary. Says a lot about your assessment of what is possible or not.

    [Koyaanisqatsi, ca. 2020, colorized]

    Do you not understand what a popular vote measures? It's right there in the title.
    Yes. I also understand what it doesn't measure. Namely, it doesn't measure WHO WON THE ELECTION. You need the ELECTORAL VOTE for that.

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    Yes, if you look at the 2016 map, Trump won 30 states and Hilary won 20 states.

    It should be based on states. But, the Dems can cheer claiming they won the popular vote while they lose the Presidency. Same thing cold happen again. Suppose Bernie wins the popular vote but Trump wins the Presidency. The Dems will claim a victory and brag and boast because they won the popular vote. Meanwhile Trump stays in office.

    It's like a team in football who lost by 3 points against a good team and claim "we got a moral victory today. We thought we would get blown out!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    It's like a team in football who lost by 3 points against a good team and claim "we got a moral victory today. We thought we would get blown out!"
    No it's like a team scored 3 more points and lost because the other team had more completions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    It's like a team in football who lost by 3 points against a good team and claim "we got a moral victory today. We thought we would get blown out!"
    No it's like a team scored 3 more points and lost because the other team had more completions.
    30 states to 20 states.

    Final score: 30-20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
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    she has good intentions.
    So you're one of those damned Hillary supporters now.
    That's hardly an endorsement but it's more than she just gave to Bernie. I'd be glad to support Hillary if nominated as Pres or VP but I think she's not a wise choice in the primaries compared with the other candidates. Too bad we don't have ranked choice voting. That's the only way a multiple candidate race can be expected to reflect what the voters really want.
    Ranked choice voting should be the way, I completely agree.

    And all the talk of "we need to support our candidate" and "we must have unity" etc is exposed as hot air when Hillary doesn't immediately say she'd support Sanders in a general election against Trump. She has to say she's not ready to answer that yet and take a day to say ya she would? Really? Remember this is the same lady who also said she was staying in the race just in case Obama was assassinated.

    Yes, she does have a habbit of saying things that can easily expose her or give a false bad image of her. She managed to lose an election to Trump... which is really all that needs to be said. Koy will continuously beat the drum that she beat Trump in the popular vote, but of course that's not how the elections are decided in that country, and a ham sandwich or empty stage would have beaten Trump by enough for all Hillary's excuses not to matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    It's like a team in football who lost by 3 points against a good team and claim "we got a moral victory today. We thought we would get blown out!"
    No it's like a team scored 3 more points and lost because the other team had more completions.
    It's a team with less points talking about how they got more total yardage. It's an interesting stat, but not how you win football

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    And here's the latest...

    DES MOINES, Iowa — Former Secretary of State John Kerry — one of Joe Biden's highest-profile endorsers — was overheard Sunday on the phone at a Des Moines hotel explaining what he would have to do to enter the presidential race amid "the possibility of Bernie Sanders taking down the Democratic Party — down whole."

    Sitting in the lobby restaurant of the Renaissance Savery hotel, Kerry was overheard by an NBC News analyst saying "maybe I'm f---ing deluding myself here" and explaining that to run, he'd have to step down from the board of Bank of America and give up his ability to make paid speeches. Kerry said donors like venture capitalist Doug Hickey would have to "raise a couple of million," adding that such donors "now have the reality of Bernie."
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1128476

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    And here's the latest...

    DES MOINES, Iowa — Former Secretary of State John Kerry — one of Joe Biden's highest-profile endorsers — was overheard Sunday on the phone at a Des Moines hotel explaining what he would have to do to enter the presidential race amid "the possibility of Bernie Sanders taking down the Democratic Party — down whole."

    Sitting in the lobby restaurant of the Renaissance Savery hotel, Kerry was overheard by an NBC News analyst saying "maybe I'm f---ing deluding myself here" and explaining that to run, he'd have to step down from the board of Bank of America and give up his ability to make paid speeches. Kerry said donors like venture capitalist Doug Hickey would have to "raise a couple of million," adding that such donors "now have the reality of Bernie."
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1128476
    It will be a crazy and fascinating and brutal chain of events if Bernie emerges as the clear front runner and nominee-apparent. The Clintons, Biden, Kerry, and other corporate Democrats will stop at nothing to stop Bernie. I believe at this point that they fear President Sanders more than President Trump.

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