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Thread: Nearly 200 people have had their guns seized in N.J. under new ‘red flag’ law

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    At what point does state regulation tip from being desirable and beneficial to an unnecessary imposition on our rights and liberties, privacy and persuit of interests?
    Not the NJ law which provides for temporary action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
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    At what point does state regulation tip from being desirable and beneficial to an unnecessary imposition on our rights and liberties, privacy and persuit of interests?
    Not the NJ law which provides for temporary action.
    No doubt that there is much disagreement on the point at which a beneficial and desirable degree of control tips into excessive regulation and imposition into our lives by the state.

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    Some might have had their guns unfairly taken away?

    Sending them my thoughts and prayers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    At what point does state regulation tip from being desirable and beneficial to an unnecessary imposition on our rights and liberties, privacy and persuit of interests?
    Not the NJ law which provides for temporary action.
    No doubt that there is much disagreement on the point at which a beneficial and desirable degree of control tips into excessive regulation and imposition into our lives by the state.
    Unless you live in NJ, this law has no effect on “our” lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
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    No doubt that there is much disagreement on the point at which a beneficial and desirable degree of control tips into excessive regulation and imposition into our lives by the state.
    Unless you live in NJ, this law has no effect on “our” lives.
    I was referring to the principle. It's not the only one. Some things may never be implemented, but that doesn't mean they should not be discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    No doubt that there is much disagreement on the point at which a beneficial and desirable degree of control tips into excessive regulation and imposition into our lives by the state.
    Unless you live in NJ, this law has no effect on “our” lives.
    I was referring to the principle. It's not the only one. Some things may never be implemented, but that doesn't mean they should not be discussed.
    I am unaware that anyone is saying this should not be discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc View Post
    Some might have had their guns unfairly taken away?

    Sending them my thoughts and prayers!
    What if the local authorities come and take away your car, not because of anything you have done, but on suspicion of what you may do? Now this may be fair in some circumstances but not all. It may be fair if there is evidence that you plan to run people down.

    There lies the line between fair seizure and unfair imposition by the state.

    There needs to be safeguards in place and very clear definitions of when seizure is justified and when it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
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    I was referring to the principle. It's not the only one. Some things may never be implemented, but that doesn't mean they should not be discussed.
    I am unaware that anyone is saying should not be discussed.
    Your comment appears to imply it. Why else say "unless you live in NJ, this law has no effect on "our" lives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post

    I was referring to the principle. It's not the only one. Some things may never be implemented, but that doesn't mean they should not be discussed.
    I am unaware that anyone is saying should not be discussed.
    Your comment appears to imply it. Why else say "this law has no effect on "our" lives?
    Because contrary to your rhetoric, it does not affect my life because I don’t live in NJ.

    That has nothing to do with the desirability or perceived efficacy of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
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    Your comment appears to imply it. Why else say "this law has no effect on "our" lives?
    Because contrary to your rhetoric, it does not affect my life because I don’t live in NJ.

    That has nothing to do with the desirability or perceived efficacy of the law.
    Whether or the law effects you or me is irrelevant to the discussion of where the line is drawn between reasonable regulation and personal rights and freedoms.

    I am asking where that line is to be drawn to achieve a fair balance between personal freedom and the need for community safety.

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