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    Quote Originally Posted by jab View Post
    These Thumbs are MADE for Tweeting dude has made it clear that the federal stance was not really principled but a personal move.
    or, even if it was principled at the start, those principles are less than and subject to the whims and needs of Corruption One.

    He paid off one Florida lawsuit by a donation to one campaign. Clearly he thinks it's more efficient to buy off ALL New York's lawsuits with one govt. policy....

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    Ocasio-Cortez blasts Trump as 'corrupt' for blocking Global Entry for New Yorkers | TheHill
    In her tweet, Ocasio-Cortez pointed to Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Susan Collins (Maine), two moderates who voted to acquit president Trump on impeachment charges last week.

    “Hope Collins and Murkowski are proud of their vote,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted.

    Walter Shaub, the former director of the Office of Government Ethics, praised Ocasio-Cortez for her comments.

    “First member of Congress to speak out. Where are the others? Where is the media? This is Ukraine all over again,” he tweeted.
    Walter Shaub on Twitter: "THANK YOU!!!! First member of Congress to speak out. Where are the others? Where is the media? This is Ukraine all over again. https://t.co/gWbDXF6JO2" / Twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Ye, you are missing something. A lot.

    Trusted Traveler is not a state program. It’s a federal one.
    I understand. But giving official state id to illegals makes it easier for illegals to fraudulently apply for these federal programs.

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    I don't know what form of IDs are used in New York. Here in Michigan, we have two forms of ID. The standard ID/Driver's license or the Enhanced ID/DL. To get the Enhanced versions, you must prove citizenship and is required to travel to, and more importantly, back from Canada without a passport. Does New York have a similar ID system?

    Just took a quick look and, yes, New York also uses the same system. So illegal aliens will not be getting the enhanced DL so they will not be able to use the standard DL to fraudulently apply for federal programs.

    BTW, anyone in the US who wants to fly commercial will need an enhanced ID/DL after this coming October.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Green Light Law is an idiotic law. Illegal aliens should not be aided and abetted in their illegal migration by state governments.
    Same goes for sanctuary policies. When an illegal is arrested in New York, they get released instead of being transferred to ICE custody for deportation.
    Reality: States benefit from sanctuary policies.

    1) By issuing licenses to illegals you cut the uninsured rate. If one hits you you're less likely to be out of pocket.

    2) When they can't go to the police when they are crime victims you get the same thing you get in the criminal underworld--retaliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    Since it is not illegal, and since Mr Trump linked this action to NY policies that have nothing to do with immigration, what do you think of the Trump adm’s action ?
    I may be missing something, but the idea from the OP is that "Trusted Traveler Program" is suspended to New Yorkers because their id is not secure because Albany gives NY id to all and sundry. So if I understand correctly, there IS a connection to NY immigration policy and the Trump administration policy is not arbitrary or punitive but is related to lax security of the identification document.
    Wrong. The feds would have no problem screening out those who are here illegally. And note that the states are not giving RealIDs to illegals, just ordinary driver's licenses.

    The only possibly legitimate case I can see for it is if they are checking for driving without insurance--that might only be in the DMV databases and not make it into criminal databases. Anything else that would be disqualifying would show up in the criminal databases and the feds have access to those.

    Given this administration's track record they should either indicate exactly what they're after and not getting, or else it should be assumed this is retaliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Ye, you are missing something. A lot.

    Trusted Traveler is not a state program. It’s a federal one.
    I understand. But giving official state id to illegals makes it easier for illegals to fraudulently apply for these federal programs.
    Learn a little something about what you're arguing about.

    This is about Global Entry--which is for crossing the US border with in general less scrutiny. (If you have nothing to declare you can usually do it without talking to anybody.) Border crossings = passport. Show up with a Mexican passport and no visa to the US and you're not getting it. Nothing New York does will change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    I don't know what form of IDs are used in New York. Here in Michigan, we have two forms of ID. The standard ID/Driver's license or the Enhanced ID/DL. To get the Enhanced versions, you must prove citizenship and is required to travel to, and more importantly, back from Canada without a passport. Does New York have a similar ID system?

    Just took a quick look and, yes, New York also uses the same system. So illegal aliens will not be getting the enhanced DL so they will not be able to use the standard DL to fraudulently apply for federal programs.

    BTW, anyone in the US who wants to fly commercial will need an enhanced ID/DL after this coming October.
    Or a passport. Or a passport card.

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