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    Yep. The Bible is tribal. Nothing is dumber than the preacherly line about the Bible speaking with one moral voice, having one streamlined moral code, as opposed to being utterly self-contradictory, jerry-rigged, and full of squinky cubby-holes of weirdness (i.e. Genesis 6:4, which I doubt many preachers have ever preached.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ideologyhunter View Post
    Yep. The Bible is tribal. Nothing is dumber than the preacherly line about the Bible speaking with one moral voice, having one streamlined moral code, as opposed to being utterly self-contradictory, jerry-rigged, and full of squinky cubby-holes of weirdness (i.e. Genesis 6:4, which I doubt many preachers have ever preached.)
    I seem to recall an advertising campaign by Guiness, tied into the Hurling in Ireland that was very close to being a direct rip-off of the King James authorised translation of Genesis 6:4.

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    You have made good points.

    Though I am familiar with the rough outline of the Bible (the creation of the world, the flood, Joseph and his brothers moving to Egypt, Exodus, the conquest of Canaan, the exile in Babylonia, the return to Israel, Jesus and his life, the missionary activities of Paul), I think I should try to read the thing from cover to cover. But I have to admit that it will occupy a place not very high on my priority list at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Today, one of the leading Democratic candidates for U.S. presidential nomination is an avowed socialist who has praised Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. I think that a reading of Karl Marx would give someone some insight into his mindset. It can give them an understanding that socialism is not just "free stuff".
    Bernie Sanders is in practice a social democrat rather than a socialist. It is a bit of a mystery why he calls himself a socialist, and in the US of all places.

    I generally like Sanders, so it is a very big minus to read that he has praised authoritarian leaders like Castro and Chavez. I will have to look into that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammuz View Post
    Bernie Sanders is in practice a social democrat rather than a socialist. It is a bit of a mystery why he calls himself a socialist, and in the US of all places.

    I generally like Sanders, so it is a very big minus to read that he has praised authoritarian leaders like Castro and Chavez. I will have to look into that.
    More concerning to me is that Sanders remained an avid supporter of Daniel Ortega even after the U.N. Civil Rights Council had condemned Ortega.
    Last edited by skepticalbip; 02-21-2020 at 09:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    I dunno from philosophy, but from a literacy POV, yes. And i'd replace 'study' with 'Jesys H. CHRIST some familiarity with!'
    Many of my wife's students cannot follow the assigned reading because the teacher or the author makes a reference to a biblical figure they know fuck-all about.
    She might as well be saying, 'this is a retelling of [/i]bibblief forgorbaliester's epistle to the frbrbrbgystanders.'

    They don't know who Moses is, or Noah, or what a disciple is, or much of anything if it wasn't on TV in the last four days.
    So, yeah, i'd support teaching at least a Cliff Notes version of all the big religious lit examples.
    Wow. Are these grade school students or college students?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    I dunno from philosophy, but from a literacy POV, yes. And i'd replace 'study' with 'Jesys H. CHRIST some familiarity with!'
    Many of my wife's students cannot follow the assigned reading because the teacher or the author makes a reference to a biblical figure they know fuck-all about.
    She might as well be saying, 'this is a retelling of [/i]bibblief forgorbaliester's epistle to the frbrbrbgystanders.'

    They don't know who Moses is, or Noah, or what a disciple is, or much of anything if it wasn't on TV in the last four days.
    So, yeah, i'd support teaching at least a Cliff Notes version of all the big religious lit examples.
    Wow. Are these grade school students or college students?
    11th grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
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    I dunno from philosophy, but from a literacy POV, yes. And i'd replace 'study' with 'Jesys H. CHRIST some familiarity with!'
    Many of my wife's students cannot follow the assigned reading because the teacher or the author makes a reference to a biblical figure they know fuck-all about.
    She might as well be saying, 'this is a retelling of [/i]bibblief forgorbaliester's epistle to the frbrbrbgystanders.'

    They don't know who Moses is, or Noah, or what a disciple is, or much of anything if it wasn't on TV in the last four days.
    So, yeah, i'd support teaching at least a Cliff Notes version of all the big religious lit examples.
    Wow. Are these grade school students or college students?
    11th grade.
    Ah, okay, that makes more sense. 11th grade is about when I started reading adult books and thinking about philosophy and religion.

    Personally I attended a Christian middle school, so I would have known about Moses etc. at that age, but it's not that surprising to me that 11th graders who weren't brought up religious might be ignorant of the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    11th grade.
    Ah, okay, that makes more sense. 11th grade is about when I started reading adult books and thinking about philosophy and religion.
    But Noah's genocide is a standard nursery decoration for some sadistic reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammuz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Today, one of the leading Democratic candidates for U.S. presidential nomination is an avowed socialist who has praised Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. I think that a reading of Karl Marx would give someone some insight into his mindset. It can give them an understanding that socialism is not just "free stuff".
    Bernie Sanders is in practice a social democrat rather than a socialist. It is a bit of a mystery why he calls himself a socialist, and in the US of all places.
    Democratic Socialists of America is an organization that has existed for decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...sts_of_America

    Sanders has been a long time member.
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