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    If Bernie wins the presidency, I can imagine Bloomberg running against him in 2024, as a Republican.

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    I think the last debate can be summed up quite nicely with this.:


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    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    There is something fundamentally wrong with your country when this is the best you can get for leadership. There are a lot of smart American people, and yet Trump is made leader. I think a complete rebuilding of the election process is in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly_Penguin View Post
    If Bernie wins the presidency, I can imagine Bloomberg running against him in 2024, as a Republican.
    I'm more fascinated by the prospect of Bloomberg honoring his commitment to support the eventual candidate, no matter whom. Would he pump hundreds of millions into boosting Sanders if he does win the primary? Would Sanders even take his money? During a town hall last week Sanders dodged that question, and was probably right to do so. I've no idea how that notion would sit with his base.

    Sanders funding model is a differentiator right now, especially with Warren caving on PACs, but would candidate Sanders really face down the might of the RNC, Trump, Trump's supporters, their myriad PACs and the massed corporate might of Wall St, Silicon Valley, Big Pharma, Insurers, Oil, Gas and Fracking, with a million or so small donors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly_Penguin View Post
    There is something fundamentally wrong with your country when this is the best you can get for leadership. There are a lot of smart American people, and yet Trump is made leader. I think a complete rebuilding of the election process is in order.
    Both Trump in 2016 and Sanders in 2020 are energizing voters who believe the political process is corrupt and serves narrow oligarch interests. I don't think Trump was wrong about this in 2016, on the back of an economic recovery that only the rich benefitted from (under Obama's watch), but he's now running on his record in 2020, and I don't see anything tangible he's done in power to address inequality. In fact his tax cuts have widened that gap, along with attacks on labor law enforcement, and attempts to drastically cut welfare safety nets and thrown millions off of health insurance. His tariffs have hurt farmers, and he's having to bail them out. Meanwhile, corporations took his very generous handout and used it for stock buybacks and executive bonuses, hardly any of it filtered down to workers. Trump's populist rhetoric is going to sound very hollow in 2020.

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    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Not a single climate change question. Horrifying." / Twitter
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    Bernie Sanders on Twitter: "A disgrace. https://t.co/O4G9u0xfDr" / Twitter

    Also
    Daniel Medina on Twitter: "There was also not one question on immigration. https://t.co/lLujhml9Nn" / Twitter


    Who won the Democratic debate? 4 winners and 2 losers. - Vox

    I've been tracking the candidates' debate clothing in the Democrats 2020 thread, as an indicator of what is typical of dress for leadership positions. The candidates' clothing is much like in the previous debates, with the men all wearing business suits, Elizabeth Warren wearing black pants and shirt with a loose red jacket, and Amy Klobuchar wearing a dark purple jacketed dress.

    In this and previous debates, all of the men's business suits have matching dark pants and jackets, black or dark gray or dark blue. Their shirts are all white or light blue. But they have a lot of variation in their ties, and I haven't been trying to track that.

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    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Incredibly disappointed that the only person onstage with a remotely reality-based take on President Xi is Michael Fucking Bloomberg. I get that Bernie needed to be in defensive mode this week, but it's a clear sign that he has many blind spots, and America has a long way to go before the foreign policy ideals of its leaders are anything close to credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    Incredibly disappointed that the only person onstage with a remotely reality-based take on President Xi is Michael Fucking Bloomberg. I get that Bernie needed to be in defensive mode this week, but it's a clear sign that he has many blind spots, and America has a long way to go before the foreign policy ideals of its leaders are anything close to credible.
    The whole Cuba nonsense was a pointless distraction. Sanders needs a better strategy for defanging these idiotic questions. Nobody getting bankrupted by hospital bills in 2020 gives a flying fuck about Cuba's literacy programs in the 1980s. Anderson Cooper was patting himself on the back yesterday on CNN after the debate on CBS for stirring this shit up, but the MSM has a ridiculous blind spot when it comes to left wing autocrats vs the kind we like to sell military hardware and crowd control tools and intel to. I thought it was brave of Sanders to call out the Saudis last week, but he needs to realize the MSM doesn't do nuance, and there are armies of establishment trolls out there ready and willing to gete outraged over anything that can be twisted into At Least Hilter Made The Trains Run On Time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    America has a long way to go before the foreign policy ideals of its leaders are anything close to credible.
    On the upside, you or I could do a better job of it than is being done now.

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