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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    I would advise treating divine moral advice similarly to human moral advice. You must have some rubric for discerning the value of moral arguments.
    The goal of religion is to remove that rubric so as to gain the ability to manipulate. This is the source of the notion that subjectivity (and therefore, any criticism whatsoever) is off limits. What better way to prevent thoughtful discourse getting in the way of taking advantage of others than to prohibit thoughtful discourse by punishment of torture and death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    I would advise treating divine moral advice similarly to human moral advice. You must have some rubric for discerning the value of moral arguments.
    The goal of religion is to remove that rubric so as to gain the ability to manipulate. This is the source of the notion that subjectivity (and therefore, any criticism whatsoever) is off limits. What better way to prevent thoughtful discourse getting in the way of taking advantage of others than to prohibit thoughtful discourse by punishment of torture and death.
    Religion doesn't kill people. People with religion kill people.

    (Sorry. I couldn't resist.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    I would advise treating divine moral advice similarly to human moral advice. You must have some rubric for discerning the value of moral arguments.
    The goal of religion is to remove that rubric so as to gain the ability to manipulate. This is the source of the notion that subjectivity (and therefore, any criticism whatsoever) is off limits. What better way to prevent thoughtful discourse getting in the way of taking advantage of others than to prohibit thoughtful discourse by punishment of torture and death.
    Ok pastor.

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    The Christian argument is without an absolute morality based in the biblical god and scripture there is moral relativism where anything goes and can be justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    I would advise treating divine moral advice similarly to human moral advice. You must have some rubric for discerning the value of moral arguments.
    The goal of religion is to remove that rubric so as to gain the ability to manipulate. This is the source of the notion that subjectivity (and therefore, any criticism whatsoever) is off limits. What better way to prevent thoughtful discourse getting in the way of taking advantage of others than to prohibit thoughtful discourse by punishment of torture and death.
    Religion doesn't kill people. People with religion kill people.

    (Sorry. I couldn't resist.)
    Always true, that.

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    IMO, the belief that morality must be based on some kind of authority is quite natural for everyone, because we were all given moral guidance from authority figures during childhood. Gods assume parental authority as people become adults, so they tend to reflect the moral views of a self-organized society. After all, the function of moral codes is to ensure the safety and security of individuals when they deal with other individuals. Moral codes are all about interactions between individuals. If we were solitary creatures, there would be no need for moral strictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    IMO, the belief that morality must be based on some kind of authority is quite natural for everyone, because we were all given moral guidance from authority figures during childhood. Gods assume parental authority as people become adults, so they tend to reflect the moral views of a self-organized society.
    Surely a mortal would, in fact, seem like a helpless child from the perspective of a deity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Surely a mortal would, in fact, seem like a helpless child from the perspective of a deity.
    Humans don't compare well against fantasy beings. Food for thought, if you want to kill time on nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Surely a mortal would, in fact, seem like a helpless child from the perspective of a deity.
    Humans don't compare well against fantasy beings. Food for thought, if you want to kill time on nothing.
    Well, if you like. But my point is that this is more an ontological argument than a moral one, when you think about it carefully.

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    The American founders declared basic rights ordained by god.

    A powerful statement. Aint no way no how anything but an all powerful god is going to take then away from us. There is a utility to a god.

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