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    An interesting insight for those who are obsessed with "assault weapons"

    http://freakoutery.com/2019/08/docto...ass-shootings/

    The author is bringing up a point that I have never seen mentioned before--high-casualty mass shootings aren't limited by magazine size (unless you're facing opposition it's irrelevant), but by how much ammunition you can bring. In practice this means handguns are more deadly than rifles because their ammunition is smaller.

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    But the time it takes to reload is the time someone has to stop you. That’s why magazine size matters. Reloading a six shooter takes time. A muzzle loader even more. Snap in a new clip, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    http://freakoutery.com/2019/08/docto...ass-shootings/

    The author is bringing up a point that I have never seen mentioned before--high-casualty mass shootings aren't limited by magazine size (unless you're facing opposition it's irrelevant), but by how much ammunition you can bring. In practice this means handguns are more deadly than rifles because their ammunition is smaller.
    How many more people do you suppose that Stephen Paddock if he had thought to use hand guns?

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    Another op based on a gun nut analysis. What leads me to that conclusion?
    1) It uses circular logic to explain the mass shooter’s choice of the AR -15: the shooter is an idiot because they are a mass shooter.
    2) Comparing the frequency if being killed by a mass shooter with being hit by lightning.
    3) Ignores the reloading issue that Rhea pointed out.

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    If you want more bullets, yeah, use a handgun... But good luck actually hitting anything.

    Rifles are designed for stability, accuracy. There is a reason soldiers in a firefight get a weapon with hybridized stocks (rifles with pistol grips). Handguns are meant to be a compact, easily stowed weapon that isn't burdensome to carry. It is the stiletto vs the spear/sword, if we were to compare melee weapons.

    Firing from a stable position, at a target further than point blank range, at a moving target, is harder with a handgun. So yes, I WOULD much rather handguns be used for mass shootings. There would be more survivors.

    I have, for years, been arguing against the legality of any weapon with a detachable magazine existing in civilian contexts, ideally to eventually include the police.

    Six or seven bullets is enough weapon to threaten as many people as can be threatened by a gun, game theoretically, and anyone who would unload a whole 20 round magazine handgun in the blink of an eye shouldn't have a gun anyway.

    One guy, two guys, three guys, that many bullets challenges. Four or more, if they are rushing someone with a gun they don't care if some of them die, and you can't shoot four people that fast.

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    Well, handguns are certainly a more common cause of death than assault rifles. Perhaps you're right, and we should ban handguns as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    But the time it takes to reload is the time someone has to stop you. That’s why magazine size matters. Reloading a six shooter takes time. A muzzle loader even more. Snap in a new clip, though...
    But you can snap a new clip in most handguns, though. We don't have any examples of shooters being jumped while reloading.

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