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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Joe Biden is likely trading in on Obama nostalgia, and Obama was a Chief Executive who was sober, mature, dignified, gracious, inclusive, so much that the current pResident totally lacks.
    Hmm. Or just maybe, hear me out here, just maybe it's because Trump doesn't care if they all die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Keith, Trump was being interviewed on Fox News by Hannity and he said, "Cuomo and De Blasio of NY are begging me for 30,000 ventilators. Hospitals usually only have 1 ventilator! And they want 30,000 like it's nothing! This is outrageous! They cost more than a car and they act like I can do it like it's nothing!" Hannity agreed they were delusional.
    And you think his statement has anything to do with the truth?

    A quick check finds 66 hospitals here in Nevada, and note that not all of these are places that would even have a ventilator at all. (A quick check of names shows one is mental health and four are rehabilitation.) That leaves at most 61 that might have a ventilator. We have 718 ventilators, though. That means they average over 11 ventilators per hospital. Note that it's also a higher number than the number of ICU beds we have.

    Update: The US has about 180,000 ventilators.

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    Opinion | The Religious Right’s Hostility to Science Is Crippling Our Coronavirus Response - The New York Times - "Trump’s response to the pandemic has been haunted by the science denialism of his ultraconservative religious allies."
    Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

    At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States. Today, the hard core of climate deniers is concentrated among people who identify as religiously conservative Republicans. And some leaders of the Christian nationalist movement, like those allied with the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, which has denounced environmental science as a “Cult of the Green Dragon,” cast environmentalism as an alternative — and false — theology.
    Like a certain megachurch pastor and self-styled "apostle", Guillermo Maldonado, urging his followers on March 15 to show up at his church: "Do you believe God would bring his people to his house to be contagious with the virus? Of course not.”

    "In his daily briefings from the White House, Mr. Trump actively disdains and contradicts the messages coming from his own experts and touts as yet unproven cures."

    Religious nationalism has brought to American politics the conviction that our political differences are a battle between absolute evil and absolute good. When you’re engaged in a struggle between the “party of life” and the “party of death,” as some religious nationalists now frame our political divisions, you don’t need to worry about crafting careful policy based on expert opinion and analysis. Only a heroic leader, free from the scruples of political correctness, can save the righteous from the damned. Fealty to the cause is everything; fidelity to the facts means nothing. Perhaps this is why many Christian nationalist leaders greeted the news of the coronavirus as an insult to their chosen leader.
    Like Jerry Falwell, Jr., on Mar 13 Fox & Friends, dismissing concern about the coronavirus pandemic as yet another attempt to unseat the President.

    Then such Christian-nationalist religious-right officials as Health and Human Services head Alex Azar and Housing and Urban Development head Ben Carson. Both are associated with fundie Bible-study group Capitol Ministries.
    It is fair to point out that the failings of the Trump administration in the current pandemic are at least as attributable to its economic ideology as they are to its religious inclinations. When the so-called private sector is supposed to have the answer to every problem, it’s hard to deal effectively with the very public problem of a pandemic and its economic consequences. But if you examine the political roots of the life-threatening belief in the privatization of everything, you’ll see that Christian nationalism played a major role in creating and promoting the economic foundations of America’s incompetent response to the pandemic.

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    Trump's narcissism has taken a new twist. And now he has American blood on his hands | Jonathan Freedland | Opinion | The Guardian
    Trump and his outriders contend that, while mass death is not ideal, it’s better than allowing the US economy to stall. Some, like Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick, are explicit, urging the elderly to risk their lives so that their grandchildren might enjoy the fruits of uninterrupted American capitalism. “If that’s the exchange, I’m all in,” Patrick said. He was taking his cue from Trump who, while not putting it quite as baldly, has been quite clear. If coronavirus is a stick-up artist asking America, “Your money or your life”, Trump’s response has been: “Take the lives of the old and the weak: I want the money.”

    Of course, no such choice is available. Even if Trump were to get his way, ditching social distancing and having the US open for business by Easter, the disease would not politely confine its appetite to the groups Trump has deemed dispensable. Instead the virus would run rampant, infecting an estimated half the population. Not that Trump would know or recognise that, thanks to a second character trait that, like the void where his sense of compassion should be, is so fatefully, and fatally, determining the US response to this pandemic: namely, his disregard for science.

    “This is just my hunch,” he said as he dismissed a projection of the likely Covid-19 death rate by the World Health Organization as “a false number”. On Thursday, he said “I have a feeling” that New York would need far fewer ventilators than the tens of thousands the state has requested. “You know, you go into major hospitals sometimes, they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying can we order 30,000 ventilators?” An imbecile at the head of the US government would always be a problem. But an imbecile so narcissistic that he elevates his own stunted knowledge above the judgment of medicine and science is a calamity.
    So having hunches and feelings is a substitute for doing research?

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    Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

    The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk. But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago.

    “Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

    The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.

    “Each section of this playbook includes specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels” within the national security apparatus, the playbook urges, repeatedly advising officials to question the numbers on viral spread, ensure appropriate diagnostic capacity and check on the U.S. stockpile of emergency resources.
    Add to the list of fuck ups done by the Mango Mussolini administration.
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    Prince Jared acts like a slumlord.

    Jared Kushner is demanding his tenants keep paying rent — while asking for leniency from his creditors: WaPo reporter – Raw Story
    On MSNBC Saturday, Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold revealed the disconnect between what President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner is demanding of his tenants, and what he is asking for from his creditors.

    “[Trump’s] adult children, they seem to derive most of their income and, you know, you’re the expert on this, from his businesses, things with his surname on them,” said host Joy Reid. “So in terms of their income, without these hotels, without these resorts and the money coming in from them and the foreign emoluments coming in, where do they get their money?”
    David Fahrenthold on Jared Kushner's rent assessments and debt payments during coronavirus crisis - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Keith, Trump was being interviewed on Fox News by Hannity and he said, "Cuomo and De Blasio of NY are begging me for 30,000 ventilators. Hospitals usually only have 1 ventilator! And they want 30,000 like it's nothing! This is outrageous! They cost more than a car and they act like I can do it like it's nothing!" Hannity agreed they were delusional.
    Hi everyone! Want to know why Half-life didn't quote the conversation between Trump and Hannity with regards to ventilators? Because here it is, Trump's 2 minute answer in all its incoherent glory:

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    This hashtag is trending on Twitter: #TrumpGenocide

    Frank Figliuzzi : As coronavirus deaths mount, Trump's handling of intelligence warnings looks worse and worse - "I thought Trump's willful blindness might manifest itself in a failure to heed signs of a terrorist strike or a state-sponsored cyberattack. Instead, the missed warnings pointed to a pandemic."
    Those of us who served in the intelligence community knew this day was coming. The day when President Donald Trump's near total disregard for intelligence professionals would eventually affect every American. Personally, I thought Trump's willful blindness might manifest itself in a failure to heed signs of an imminent terrorist strike, military assault or state-sponsored cyberattack. Instead, the missed warnings pointed to a pandemic that has so far resulted in over 82,000 infected Americans and over 1,100 dead here at home. While Trump claims the coronavirus was a "surprise," we've now learned that as early as January, intelligence professionals were sounding the alarm.
    Trump has a history of ignoring the intelligence community. Like refusing to believe that Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Also refusing to believe that North Korea would not give up its nuclear weapons. Also refusing to believe that Russian intelligence was involved in the 2016 election, because Vladimir Putin said so.

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    Trump actually said a hospital has only one ventilator. My fucking gawd, his supporters are the dumbest political fools ever.

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