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    The COVID Tracking Project - Homepage

    Trump accuses New York hospitals of ‘hoarding’ masks and ventilators without evidence – Raw Story
    Speaking in the Rose Garden Sunday, Trump asked, “How do you go from 10 to 20 to 300,000 masks? Where are the masks going, are they going out the backdoor?”

    Indeed, the masks are going in the trash after they’re used. The masks are one-use masks, which Trump said he wants to be able to sanitize them so people can reuse them.

    “They have to look into that in New York,” Trump said, noting that he heard they went from 10,000 masks to 300,000 masks.

    “I’m I don’t think it’s hoarding, it’s maybe worse than hoarding,” Trump said.
    WATCH: Trump snaps at Black reporters calling them ‘you people’ during Rose Garden press conference – Raw Story
    Yamiche Alcindor asked the president about his earlier accusations that masks were “going out the back door” and said that it was “worst than hoarding.” She specifically cited his comments on Sean Hannity where he attacked blue-state governors, saying that if they’re not nice to them he won’t return their calls.

    “That’s why you used to work for the Times and now you work for somebody else,” Trump attacked Alcindor for asking the question.

    “Why don’t you people act a little more positive? Don’t be threatening. Be nice,” he told the reporters.
    Fact check: A breakdown of false and misleading statements at Trump's Rose Garden briefing
    Apart from what was previously mentioned,
    Trump said, "I'll never forget the day when a general came and said, 'Sir' -- my first week in office -- 'we have no ammunition.' " He repeated this claim later in the briefing without citing the general, claiming that the US had "no ammunition" before he had taken action.

    Facts First: Trump was exaggerating. We don't know what a general might have told him in private, but it's not true that the US had "no ammunition" at the beginning of his presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by article
    “I kept asking and we did models,” Trump said Sunday night. “Now, finally, we got these models in and you hear about the 2.2 million people [who] would have died. I don’t mean we would have had 2.2 million cases. These are 2.2 million people [who] would have died.”

    He [Trump] added: “And so, if we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 — it’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100 [thousand] and 200,000 — we altogether have done a very good job.”
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    Yeah, Mr. Open By Easter apparently sees things a bit differently now. I mean, we should be happy he didn't encourage people to go to church or something, but we are talking about a real low bar for Trump that he is still stumbling to jump over.

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    Trump Said He Was the President of Manufacturing. Then Disaster Struck. - The New York Times - "For a leader who has embraced the language of a wartime president, it is as if the Pentagon asked for missiles and bombers but wouldn’t say how many or where they should be delivered."
    Mr. Trump came to this crisis belatedly, but once he did he has tried to portray himself as a wartime president, one who is making use of all of America’s talents to fight an invisible but devastating enemy. And in that regard, the best analogy may be Franklin D. Roosevelt’s “arsenal of democracy,” the phrase he used in a Dec. 29, 1940, fireside chat, as he tried to get American industry to support Britain in its fight with Nazi Germany, without getting the United States into the war.

    It turned out to be prescient, because industry was already getting onto a wartime footing by the time Japan attacked Pearl Harbor a year later, plunging the United States into a manufacturing frenzy. That is when Ford began churning out B-24 bombers and Sherman tanks.

    But in this case, Mr. Trump sought the language of wartime action without the responsibility for making it happen. He welcomed voluntary efforts that were already underway, as manufacturers like Medtronic and the Dutch manufacturing giant Philips promised to ramp up production. The problem was that it was uncoordinated — as if the Pentagon had announced it needed more missiles, more artillery shells and more nuclear weapons but left unclear how many or where they should be delivered.
    He's no FDR and he's no Winston Churchill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Trump Said He Was the President of Manufacturing. Then Disaster Struck. - The New York Times - "For a leader who has embraced the language of a wartime president, it is as if the Pentagon asked for missiles and bombers but wouldn’t say how many or where they should be delivered."
    Mr. Trump came to this crisis belatedly, but once he did he has tried to portray himself as a wartime president, one who is making use of all of America’s talents to fight an invisible but devastating enemy. And in that regard, the best analogy may be Franklin D. Roosevelt’s “arsenal of democracy,” the phrase he used in a Dec. 29, 1940, fireside chat, as he tried to get American industry to support Britain in its fight with Nazi Germany, without getting the United States into the war.

    It turned out to be prescient, because industry was already getting onto a wartime footing by the time Japan attacked Pearl Harbor a year later, plunging the United States into a manufacturing frenzy. That is when Ford began churning out B-24 bombers and Sherman tanks.

    But in this case, Mr. Trump sought the language of wartime action without the responsibility for making it happen. He welcomed voluntary efforts that were already underway, as manufacturers like Medtronic and the Dutch manufacturing giant Philips promised to ramp up production. The problem was that it was uncoordinated — as if the Pentagon had announced it needed more missiles, more artillery shells and more nuclear weapons but left unclear how many or where they should be delivered.
    He's no FDR and he's no Winston Churchill.
    He's no Jame Buchanan!

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    Nearly a Dozen Liberty University Students Sick With Coronavirus Symptoms After Falwell Reopened Campus

    Katie Hill on Twitter: "We’ve all been eating a lot of pasta these days & taking it for granted.
    But 1.5 million New Yorkers depend on food banks for pasta, which are going to shut down soon w/o emergency funding.
    NY residents- call your state legislators so seniors can eat during this crisis. https://t.co/H7FiSycb5w" / Twitter

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    David G. Greenfield - STAY HOME! on Twitter: "Imagine if you called 911 and an ambulance didn’t show up. That is what’s happening to seniors and their emergency food pantries. https://t.co/aJ7JiWOgYO" / Twitter

    Katie Hill on Twitter: "Watching @NYGovCuomo tell me about making spaghetti and meatballs that no one would eat makes me just like him more" / Twitter

    Katie Hill on Twitter: "Also someone made a powerpoint slide for him that said find the joy and look for the “silver lining” and I just want to know who that poor bastard was and why they meant by those quotation marks" / Twitter

    Chad Pergram on Twitter: "Graham on Fox on Pelosi: She’s blaming the President of the United States for people dying because of the way he's led the country. That's the most shameful, disgusting statement by any politician in modern history." / Twitter
    then
    Katie Hill on Twitter: "How can it be shameful to state a fact?
    A lot of people have died because of Trump’s “leadership” and more will.
    Stfu @LindseyGrahamSC you’re only melting down bc you know it’s true
    (wrong tag first time I tweeted this) https://t.co/55ZkVqkWcU" / Twitter


    I agree. Trump's "leadership" is awful. He'll go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
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    I think Pelosi is standing in criticizing the president because poor Biden just isn't getting his message through.

    He's been mostly absent through this debacle, and when he finally surfaces, he takes all those rumors of cognitive decline and add credence to them.

    Now he has started the slow drip of more sexual accusers as well. This is exactly why is said he can't beat Trump. He's going to get annilated if there's a debate. This is all going to continue. The only way I can see Trump getting bested is that Trump beats himself by doing such a poor job fighting this pandemic. Which he unfortunately WILL do, because he's incapable of being halfway competent.

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    Even if you're correct about Trump's incompetent. Think how much more worse a Biden, or Zoroaster forbid, a Sanders presidency would be.
    How so? Trump's major reason for incompetency is obvious. He is viewing the entire situation through the lens of re-election and how this will all affect HIM. His narcisism. Combine this with a profound lack of mental ability, incredible lack of any intellectual curiosity, and complete lack of empathy, and we have a deadly mix. Add to this the lack of expertise and experience present in his administration and that's a recipe for disaster. It's a fucking clown show.

    Any of the recent contenders could do better. Yes, some wouldn't be ideal, but they would still be better. Perhaps most of them would at least bother to use the pandemic playbook given to them for just such a situation.

    https://politi.co/33XahUi

    Frankly, I'm embarrassed for anyone trying to defend this at this point. Did you watch yesterday's clusterfuck? I watched it live as Trump accused hospitals and states of hoarding and selling supplies because the required amount of ventilators and PPE has gone up dramatically suddenly - in the middle of a pandemic. The quiet in the room is palpable as everyone sits there virtually stunned at how STUPID this man truly is. Yet here he is, leading this effort. Trump is the driver of a bus, blindfolded and smoking a cigarette bragging about how he's "the best driver, driving very strongly" while heading straight for a cliff. Meanwhile the passengers all see the impending doom and are sitting there wondering how to get his dumb ass out of the driver's seat.

    So your best argument is he's still better than anyone else? Weak. So very, very weak. So weak it makes me wonder what is going on in your own mind - what motivates you to say such a dumb thing in an attempt to salvage this man? Why do you throw away every piece of common sense and completely ignore WHAT YOU KNOW TO BE TRUE? What makes someone do that? What is so important to you within this man that you would embarrass yourself and toss away any shred of dignity and intellectual credibility?

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    Ah, Falwell must be one of those dozens of '1 or 2 fringe churches'...

    Along with a few other nutters:
    https://www.salon.com/2020/03/26/the...people-killed/
    To be clear, Christian right leaders aren't denying that coronavirus is a real problem (at least not anymore). If anything, the bevy of snake oil salesman who call themselves ministers sees the panic around the virus as a marketing opportunity to make money from selling dangerous supplements, to declare the virus can be beaten with the power of prayer and to declare that the pandemic is a divine punishment inflicted on sinners.

    <Roy Moore>"I am writing a letter to pastors on the duty to continue church assemblies, even in the midst of these trying times," Moore wrote in an open letter, adding on Twitter that "churches are closed by tyrants who pander fear in the place of faith in God."

    <snip>
    David Green, the owner of Hobby Lobby, is keeping most of his stores open during the pandemic, except those actually forced to shut down by local governments.

    His reason? His wife, Barbara Green, prayed about it and decided to focus instead on "profound words to remind us that He's in control."
    <snip>
    Trump himself has surrounded himself with a phalanx of Christian right pastors who are eager to lie to their flocks about what a great leader he is and to amplify his relentless drumbeat of lies and misinformation. This includes Dave Kubal, the head of Intercessors for America, who told an audience on a prayer call last week that coronavirus "testing has limited value."

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    Quote Originally Posted by blastula View Post
    South Korea is denser than the US. Seoul is denser than NYC.
    And nothing is more dense than the White House.

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