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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    (Quoting me on Seoul and NYC metro areas)
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    I guess anything is "comparable" to anything, but IMHO 579 isn't nearly the same thing as 7325.
    But Seoul proper has a similar population and somewhat greater population density when compared to NYC proper.
    I think the 579 is missing a zero at the end.

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    So the COVID-19 virus hit close to home for AOC:
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Heartbroken to share that #LorenaBorjas, a prolific trans organizer & Queens activist, passed away from COVID-19.
    Lorena championed mutual aid in the LGBT+ community, and her Community Fund was saving lives of queer people & immigrants impacted by COVID:
    https://t.co/q1X2Fga4WU https://t.co/VbGiYYqPTl" / Twitter

    Let's see what will happen if the "die for the Dow" people start getting what they want. Will they start begging for what they think that others ought to reject?

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "One of the best ways to thank essential workers is to support the fight to improve their lives.
    Instacart & Amazon workers are on strike for:
    - Safer working conditions
    - Paid leave 4all
    - Hazard pay
    You can help. Skip your order today &offer to help those who rely on delivery. https://t.co/7Z3wTNB0fF" / Twitter

    noting
    NPR on Twitter: "Amazon warehouse workers in Staten Island and grocery deliverers for Instacart nationwide are preparing to strike — demanding stepped-up protection and pay as they continue to work amid the pandemic. https://t.co/IUn4d0JJiQ" / Twitter
    noting
    Coronavirus Strike: Amazon And Instacart Workers Walk Off Jobs : NPR

    An economic slump may seem like a bad time to strike, but it wasn't for hundreds of thousands of strikers during the Great Depression. The 1936 Strike That Brought America’s Most Powerful Automaker to its Knees - HISTORY - a strike of some 100,000 workers.

    AOC retweeted
    Myles Miller on Twitter: ".@amazon employees at JFK8 fulfillment center on Staten Island, walk out to call on the company to protect employees #COVID19 https://t.co/gjoDgYfX72" / Twitter

    Whole Foods Employees Are Staging a Nationwide 'Sick-Out' - VICE - "Workers say they will strike Tuesday because the Amazon subsidiary has failed to prioritize their safety during a period of record sales."
    then
    Lauren Kaori Gurley on Twitter: "The strike wave is in full swing! Whole Foods workers across the country are staging a mass "sick out" tomorrow — following strikes today at Instacart and an Amazon warehouse in NYC. I spoke to some workers about their demands: https://t.co/BOyNDc96M9" / Twitter
    then
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "First Instacart, then Amazon, now Whole Foods: workers are withholding their labor& demanding dignity.
    When people work an hourly job, it’s suggested in many ways that you‘re unimportant or expendable.
    Except you aren’t. Everyone deserves safe work, paid leave, & a living wage. https://t.co/JCC7A6RiUe" / Twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Yo know why Trump always says, "No one's done more than me" or "no country is better than ours" or "I'm doing the best job of any President?" It's because he has confidence. Confident people talk like that. He's always a businessman. What's the motto of business? Always be selling. Trump is constantly selling our country, himself, his administration, the people of our country, etc. It makes people happy and comforted when they hear stuff like that.
    But his job isn't salesman, it's president. Salesmen need effective control by management or they'll fuck up a company. Furthermore, he's trying to sell himself, not the country.

    How would you react if someone was selling you something and said, "This product is good but it's not the best. Maybe you shouldn't even buy it. Go with something else. But, you can buy my product if you really want to." It sounds like the person has no confidence, right?

    No one wants to hear a President say, "Well I guess I'm good but others before me were better." People would hear that and go, "What a spineless weenie."
    We aren't asking him to compare himself to other presidents. We are asking him to do his fucking job. The job he was elected to do, not the job is handlers in Moscow want him to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
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    And the excuse for Italy's numbers rising? How often did their President play golf? I'll wait patiently for the answer.
    How much golf he played has nothing to do with this. The problem is his denials of the problem that are shown on that list. What you're missing is most leaders fucked this up badly. It appears we have a total of 4 countries that have handled this well: Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Israel. China messed up at first and used an awfully heavy-handed approach, but they have done a decent job. Everyone else gets an F. (Although in the worst-off parts of the world ignoring it is probably the best course of action. There are two reasons for shutdowns--to reduce the number of people who die from a lack of treatment and to buy time for a treatment/vaccine to be developed. The shitholes of the world don't have much of a medical system in the first place, nor can most people avail themselves of what exists. Delaying catching it isn't going to do anything to improve their prospects and their societies can't function in a shutdown anyway.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    (Quoting me on Seoul and NYC metro areas)
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    I guess anything is "comparable" to anything, but IMHO 579 isn't nearly the same thing as 7325.
    But Seoul proper has a similar population and somewhat greater population density when compared to NYC proper.
    I think the 579 is missing a zero at the end.
    It's a math/typo error. From his source, it would be 1,115/km2 for NYC metro and 2,180 for Seoul metro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    It also doesn't help that China's been lying to us since the beginning about the virus. People claim "China is back to normal!" but the media doesn't show the riots they are having in the streets. "Back to normal" indeed. It's funny when people take a communist's regimes word as gospel.
    What riots?

    I sure don't take their word for things, but I don't need to--my wife is from there and routinely talks to relatives who still live there. Furthermore, they have started helping other countries at this point--something they certainly wouldn't be doing if they needed the medical capability domestically.

    It certainly isn't "back to normal". Arrivals are required to quarantine for 14 days, generally in government-assigned locations (cost, ~$100/day), I think that to some extent this even applies domestically but I don't know details. They also have suspended all existing visas (not cancelled--when things are actually back to normal those of us with existing visas will be able to use them again) and transit-without-visa. The only way you're getting in is if you apply for a new visa and casual travel isn't going to get you one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post


    The confirmed cases chart for the US, Italy, and Spain if people are curious about which nation has fared worse regarding rate of increase. Data is taken from Wiki.

    The good news is that the rate of increase in cases in NY and NJ which is driving the bulk of cases is slowing down. The trouble is Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan are starting to jump up.
    I don't really think the numbers mean too much anymore, none of these countries have enough testing ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    How much golf he played has nothing to do with this. The problem is his denials of the problem that are shown on that list. What you're missing is most leaders fucked this up badly. It appears we have a total of 4 countries that have handled this well: Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Israel. China messed up at first and used an awfully heavy-handed approach, but they have done a decent job. Everyone else gets an F. (Although in the worst-off parts of the world ignoring it is probably the best course of action. There are two reasons for shutdowns--to reduce the number of people who die from a lack of treatment and to buy time for a treatment/vaccine to be developed. The shitholes of the world don't have much of a medical system in the first place, nor can most people avail themselves of what exists. Delaying catching it isn't going to do anything to improve their prospects and their societies can't function in a shutdown anyway.)
    Yeah, you may be right at least in principle. I have a nagging fear that China is so heavily invested in getting their arms around (owning) Africa, this thing is going to recur and recur for a decade or more. The suffering and loss of life in Africa will be staggering - but it will probably be that regardless of whether China keeps re-exporting it unless a vaccine happens along pretty quick. If a vaccine is found, produced and proven effective before November, we're probably even more fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    The confirmed cases chart for the US, Italy, and Spain if people are curious about which nation has fared worse regarding rate of increase. Data is taken from Wiki.

    The good news is that the rate of increase in cases in NY and NJ which is driving the bulk of cases is slowing down. The trouble is Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan are starting to jump up.
    Appears I was wrong about New Jersey as it seems to be still climbing, just shy of 25% as of now. Michigan, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania all appear to be about 15% to 20% increases, as of now.

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