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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
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    ... by April we will be laughing going,
    "Remember how everyone panicked over the coronavirus
    because the media started fear mongering?"
    My timing was a little off. It looks like April will be the worst of it and then May should be the downhill part of the curve and then by June 1 (possibly a roaring speech by Trump announcing the re-opening of the economy for Memorial Day weekend) the economy will be roaring ready for a nice 5 months of smooth sailing right into Trump's 2nd term.
    your "timing being off" does nothing to make this any less callous. Really, this is such a horrible thing to have said in the first place, but now with over EIGHTY THOUSAND HUMAN BEINGS DEAD, you think the problem with your statement was the timing?


    This is something a complete sociopath would say.
    In January, Dr. Fauci said that we have nothing to worry about:

    https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/m...t-coronavirus/

    "Idiotic armchair quarterbacks are trying to rewrite history claiming that we could see this coming in January. No one did. Not even Dr. Anthony Fauci, who on many shows in January repeatedly said Coronavirus was nothing to worry about. Here he is on January 21st with Greg Kelly on his Newsmax show: "




    I was just going by an expert's opinion. It's flattering that you guys think Trump is smarter than Fauci and how Trump should've known it was more serious than Fauci said it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    I was just going by an expert's opinion.
    no, you weren't.
    I'd like to see if there was more to his response.
    See, he DID say to follow CDC guidelines.
    And he said 'right now' it was nothing yo worry about. Did he go on to qualify when it would be something to worry about?
    Because RIGHT NOW this same expert wants exery stste in lockdown. That 'fearmongering' you dismissed, so clearly you're not going by expert opinions unless they agree with what you want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    https://soundcloud.com/paul-szoldra/...dore-roosevelt

    Someone recorded the acting secretary of the Navy's address to sailors on the Roosevelt. Those sailors are PISSED!
    Oof, that speech was ill advised. Not the best showing for the Navy.

    And now Modly has submitted his resignation.

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    I'm wondering if the azithromycin is the more effective drug treatment against CV-19 and the hydroxychloroquine doesn't do crap. Z-Pak is very effective against pneumonia.
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    I was just going by an expert's opinion.
    no, you weren't.
    I'd like to see if there was more to his response.
    See, he DID say to follow CDC guidelines.
    And he said 'right now' it was nothing yo worry about. Did he go on to qualify when it would be something to worry about?
    Because RIGHT NOW this same expert wants exery stste in lockdown. That 'fearmongering' you dismissed, so clearly you're not going by expert opinions unless they agree with what you want to do.
    No, Keith, you guys have said that Trump should've done more drastic measures in January, which was back when Fauci was saying "there's no problem."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    I was just going by an expert's opinion.
    no, you weren't.
    I'd like to see if there was more to his response.
    See, he DID say to follow CDC guidelines.
    And he said 'right now' it was nothing yo worry about. Did he go on to qualify when it would be something to worry about?
    Because RIGHT NOW this same expert wants exery stste in lockdown. That 'fearmongering' you dismissed, so clearly you're not going by expert opinions unless they agree with what you want to do.
    No, Keith, you guys have said that Trump should've done more drastic measures in January, which was back when Fauci was saying "there's no problem."
    Well, you spelled my name right. Nothing else in that is correct.

    'We' were not asking for 'more drastic' measures. We are saying ANY measures would have been better. He got the same briefings as thise senators who dropped travel stocks and invested in PPE and ventilators. He should have been prepping accordingly.
    Fauci did not say "there's no problem." [You really are fucking poor at quotes] If there were no problem, he would not have mentioned adhering to CDC guidelines, nu? That's something else the Dotard should have been doing. Opening the pandemic playbook and seeing what needed done.

    So, we're criticizing him NOT for take steps that were not drastic enough, but for doing fuck-all to prepare the nation.
    And pretending tge experts' opinion was expressed completely in that tiny clip is disengenuous at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post

    No, Keith, you guys have said that Trump should've done more drastic measures in January, which was back when Fauci was saying "there's no problem."
    Well, you spelled my name right. Nothing else in that is correct.

    'We' were not asking for 'more drastic' measures. We are saying ANY measures would have been better. He got the same briefings as thise senators who dropped travel stocks and invested in PPE and ventilators. He should have been prepping accordingly.
    Fauci did not say "there's no problem." [You really are fucking poor at quotes] If there were no problem, he would not have mentioned adhering to CDC guidelines, nu? That's something else the Dotard should have been doing. Opening the pandemic playbook and seeing what needed done.

    So, we're criticizing him NOT for take steps that were not drastic enough, but for doing fuck-all to prepare the nation.
    And pretending tge experts' opinion was expressed completely in that tiny clip is disengenuous at best.
    Trump banned flights from China on January 31, Keith. Also declared a national emergency, too.

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    Putting all these quotes in one post to address the fallacy of the hyperbolic straw man extremes being used repeatedly by Half Life.

    Every one of these comments is absolutely barren of meaningful content. They are the thrashings of a mind unable to understand context. It's on or it's off. It's my way or it's the worst possible example. The vast untruth is that NO ONE said these were the choices. All of these are responses to posts from people who discussed meaningful middle ground, reasonable ramps or declines, thoughtful interactions and well supported evidences.


    Then Half Life comes swaggering in to the conversation, discards all of the useful conversation and inserts a masturbatory conversation with himself, replacing everyone else's words with his own fantastical extremes.

    Half life is not in a conversation with us, he is in a conversation with himself, one for which he pats himself on the back as he goes. Yay you. Hooray for your attempts to stop talking about real and meaningful data and changing the conversation to be about your pursuit of stupid and vapid dramatic hyperbole.

    I type this response as a way to address, for all those reading (who are many many more than are responding), who might be inclined to think, "hey, does Halfie have a point?" that he does not. You are merely watching him masturbate in front of you.


    To wit:

    First the fallacy of "if you're homeless then you're a willful drunk" fallacy. There's no in between, no mental health issue, no systemic issue to be fixed. It is full blame.
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.
    Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

    We move on to, the fallacy of, "either you squeeze everything you can get, or you've got nothing." Obviously no one said that. Halfie can read the post to know they didn't say that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    You're saying if you give someone $10,000 to start a company and you get a return on your investment every month, that is bad? So you just want to donate your $10,000 for free and get nothing back?



    Now the fallacy of, "If you are talking about cuts to military spending, you can only be talking about cutting ALL the spending!" Obviously no one said that. Halfie can read the post to know they didn't say that. But it's more pleasurable to him to thrust away at the straw man than to engage his brain in the actual statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    You act like having a military is wrong. Fine, let's slash their budget to next to nothing and then watch Russia or North Korea come and take us over. They'd be laughing.



    Sometimes he pleasures himself by creating his fallacious extreme all by himself. Watch as he takes a slow down and takes it all the way to "exciting." Not relieved, nor optimistic, but EXCITING! Done deal, all better now. No middle story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Cases are already slowing down. This is exciting news.

    Let's add more. Halfie can go on all day like this. Never addressing what anyone actually says, just inserting his own fantasy enemy - the ridiculous extreme. Obviously no one said this. Halfie can read the post to know they didn't say this. No we don't need to wait for zero cases, but Halfie doesn't want to address that, he just wants to stroke himself with his straw man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    So, you're saying we can't reopen the economy until nobody in the whole U.S. has it anymore? That isn't realistic. We'd be waiting forever, then.

    We don't shut down if 1 person gets the flu.




    In short, for the sake of the discussion, Half Life has worked hard to remove everyone from the discussion but himself. He is not engaging with the ideas of the community, he is fabricating his own conversation and replying to it.

    I will give him some kudos, though, for at least starting his own thread and not derailing someone else's, so hooray for that at least.

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    This crisis seems almost like a gift to Trump. He loses the great economy but in return is handed a situation where he works best. He got his wealth through real estate development. But what does a real estate developer do? Doesn't design the building. Doesn't build it either. The developer is the guy who gets disparate parties together - builder, finance, supply, regulation, etc - to complete the project. And the developer has to lie a lot, talk things up, to keep everyone on board. That's Trump's schtick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Putting all these quotes in one post to address the fallacy of the hyperbolic straw man extremes being used repeatedly by Half Life.

    Every one of these comments is absolutely barren of meaningful content. They are the thrashings of a mind unable to understand context. It's on or it's off. It's my way or it's the worst possible example. The vast untruth is that NO ONE said these were the choices. All of these quotes are from people who discussed meaningful middle ground, reasonable ramps or declines, thoughtful interactions and well supported evidences.


    Then Half Life comes swaggering in to the conversation, discards all of the useful conversation and inserts a masturbatory conversation with himself, replacing everyone else words with his own fantastical extremes.

    Half life is not in a conversation with us, he is in a conversation with himself, one for which he pats himself on the back as he goes. Yay you. Hooray for your attempts to stop talking about real and meaningful data and changing the conversation to be about your pursuit of stupid and vapid dramatic hyperbole.

    I type this response as a way to address, for all those reading (who are many many more than are responding), who might be inclined to think, "hey, does halfie have a point?" that he does not. You are merely watching him masturbate in front of you.


    To wit:

    First the fallacy of "if you're homeless then you're a willful drunk" fallacy. There's no in between, no mental health issue, no systemic issue to be fixed. It is full blame.



    We move on to, the fallacy of, "either you squeeze everything you can get, or you've got nothing. Obviously no one said that. Halfie can read the post to know they didn't say that.






    Now the fallacy of, "If you are talking about cuts to military spending, you can only be talking about cutting ALL the spending! Obviously no one said that. Halfie can read the post to know they didn't say that. But it's more pleasurable to him to thrust away at the straw man than to engage his brain in the actual statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    You act like having a military is wrong. Fine, let's slash their budget to next to nothing and then watch Russia or North Korea come and take us over. They'd be laughing.



    Sometimes he pleasures himself by creating his fallacious extreme all by himself. Watch as he takes a slow down and takes it all the way to "exciting." Not relieved, nor optimistic, but EXCITING! Done deal, all better now. No middle story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Cases are already slowing down. This is exciting news.

    Let's add more. Halfie can go on all day like this. Never addressing what anyone actually says, just inserting his own fantasy enemy - the ridiculous extreme. Obviously no one said this. Halfie can read the post to know they didn't say this. No we don't need to wait for zero cases, but Halfie doesn't want to address that, he just wants to stroke himself with his straw man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    So, you're saying we can't reopen the economy until nobody in the whole U.S. has it anymore? That isn't realistic. We'd be waiting forever, then.

    We don't shut down if 1 person gets the flu.




    In short, for the sake of the discussion, Half Life has worked hard to remove everyone from the discussion but himself. He is not engaging with the ideas of the community, he is fabricating his own conversation and replying to it.

    I will give him some kudos, though, for at least starting his own thread and not derailing someone else's, so hooray for that at least.
    I'm the one pointing out things that prove you guys wrong. For example, many people on this board take China's word as Gospel that the virus has stopped. They are taking a COMMUNIST REGIME'S word as Gospel....because communist regimes ALWAYS have the best interest of their people at heart, right? And I'm wrong to point out that we shouldn't believe their lies? We already know they lied to us since the beginning and have been under reporting their death count.

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