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    Quote Originally Posted by zorq View Post
    Well, considering you haven't actually provided an example of Obama apologising, I guess you're right. This entire subject is ridiculous. What did you think it proves again?
    Is that Because Obongo did the apologising? Why not admit that Obongo was a weak leader who was willing to push the US and Israel over the cliff in order to appease the Iranian mullahs in order to get his " Iranian nuclear deal " a done deal. A deal that a strong leader like the Trump would never accede to!
    Okay, so the Iran nuclear deal was a bad idea because... Why? You think Iran SHOULD have nuclear weapons? You know there was broad consensus that Iran was fulfilling it's obligations under that agreement until Trump Threw it in the trash right? Iran has NO good reason not to pursue nuclear tech now. N. Korea style deterrence is their only option now. Thanks to Trump.

    Trump is a fool. Obama was a leader who could actually close a deal that benefited Israel's security needs.
    Only a fool or a naive weak idiot like Obuma would think the mullahs would not enrich uranium into weapons grade. The CIA, Mossad, even the Saudis told him it was a very bad deal. HTF can anyone negotiate with an ideology that hates your guts and wishes only to destroy you! The Iranian mullahs were laughing their heads off, and also proved to the rest of the Islamic world that America and the EU was weak and ready to submit to Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Only a fool or a naive weak idiot like Obuma would think the mullahs would not enrich uranium into weapons grade.
    Iran was not enriching Uranium and was in full compliance with the agreement they signed, until the moron you so adore broke the agreement. When they resumed enriching uranium they announced it, and inspections continued due to continued participation by the EU.
    Only a fool or a propaganda-soaked weak idiot would think that the Iran situation is less volatile with Jabba the Antagonizer fucking up the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Only a fool or a naive weak idiot like Obuma would think the mullahs would not enrich uranium into weapons grade.
    Iran was not enriching Uranium and was in full compliance with the agreement they signed, until the moron you so adore broke the agreement. When they resumed enriching uranium they announced it, and inspections continued due to continued participation by the EU.
    Only a fool or a propaganda-soaked weak idiot would think that the Iran situation is less volatile with Jabba the Antagonizer fucking up the situation.
    Yea, yea, sure they were. That's why every leader of every Western nation applauded the useless Iran deal. And are now at their wits end on how to salvage some semblance of it. The Iranian people are led by fanatics who the biggest sponsors of terrorism in middle East and the world.
    But to get this thread back on topic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
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    The avoidable but not avoided problems of the USA, including (but certainly not limited to) the massive death toll due to the dismantling of the systems intended to reduce the impact of future pandemics on the US, is the fault of the President.

    That's the President's job - to make the hard decisions, and be held accountable for their results.

    With great power comes great responsibility. Trump wants the former without the latter, but it doesn't work that way.

    To whine about people holding the President accountable for his nation's problems is to miss the entire point - it's his fucking job to be accountable. If he doesn't like it, he shouldn't have taken the job in the first place.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/ana...e-coronavirus/

    Anatomy of a man-made disaster: 320 ways Donald Trump failed to protect us from the coronavirus

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    This indifference manifested with Trump’s first budget to Congress. Though the administration found money for big increases in the already-bloated defense budget and passed a $1.5 trillion tax cut overwhelmingly tilted to the 1% later that year, Trump’s minions cut funding (2) for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the agency tasked with protecting public health in the face of the opiate epidemic, AIDS, flu, and infectious outbreaks.
    ...

    Trump has from the start been destroying the US system and programs for dealing with possible pandemics. Again and again. With help from the GOP members of Congress. Our lack of preparedness is not "just one of the things that happen" with no blame to be assigned for our lack of preparedness. Trump gets full credit for all of his failures. Trump was the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong things for wrong reasons.

    Hopefully, after Trump is flushed out of office in November, Biden can lead us it a decade long program to undo the damage Trump and the GOP have done to out ability to deal with pandemics. And US voters will have learned a sobering lessons about voting for know-nothing Republican presidents.
    Another good part of the article, tied back with Clownstick removing a couple dozen other US health officials embedded in China.
    Another major (and unforced) administration error was revealed by journalist Marisa Taylor, who reported that “Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China.”

    According to Taylor, “the American disease expert, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency, left her post in July [2019]
    Or maybe when the State Dept. worked with France to return around 200 Americans from an badly Covid-19 infected cruise line, but just let them wander out into Atlanta's airport to find their own way home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Only a fool or a naive weak idiot like Obuma would think the mullahs would not enrich uranium into weapons grade.
    Iran was not enriching Uranium and was in full compliance with the agreement they signed, until the moron you so adore broke the agreement. When they resumed enriching uranium they announced it, and inspections continued due to continued participation by the EU.
    Only a fool or a propaganda-soaked weak idiot would think that the Iran situation is less volatile with Jabba the Antagonizer fucking up the situation.
    Unproven. The agreement had a glaring loophole: From a practical standpoint it did absolutely nothing about Iran simply building a new facility and doing what it wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Only a fool or a naive weak idiot like Obuma would think the mullahs would not enrich uranium into weapons grade.
    Iran was not enriching Uranium and was in full compliance with the agreement they signed, until the moron you so adore broke the agreement. When they resumed enriching uranium they announced it, and inspections continued due to continued participation by the EU.
    Only a fool or a propaganda-soaked weak idiot would think that the Iran situation is less volatile with Jabba the Antagonizer fucking up the situation.
    Unproven. The agreement had a glaring loophole: From a practical standpoint it did absolutely nothing about Iran simply building a new facility and doing what it wants.
    Sophism. The only way know whether they're building a new facility with or without the deal is through surveillance.

    There's no conceivable way to word a deal such that this isn't the case. Oh wait, no they should have said 'this deal is voided if the other party violates the terms of the deal'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Only a fool or a naive weak idiot like Obuma would think the mullahs would not enrich uranium into weapons grade.
    Iran was not enriching Uranium and was in full compliance with the agreement they signed, until the moron you so adore broke the agreement. When they resumed enriching uranium they announced it, and inspections continued due to continued participation by the EU.
    Only a fool or a propaganda-soaked weak idiot would think that the Iran situation is less volatile with Jabba the Antagonizer fucking up the situation.
    Unproven. The agreement had a glaring loophole: From a practical standpoint it did absolutely nothing about Iran simply building a new facility and doing what it wants.
    Loophole? Try derail! This isn't a thread on the Iranian Nuclear agreement. angelo, as usual, is derailing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deepak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    Unproven. The agreement had a glaring loophole: From a practical standpoint it did absolutely nothing about Iran simply building a new facility and doing what it wants.
    Sophism. The only way know whether they're building a new facility with or without the deal is through surveillance.

    There's no conceivable way to word a deal such that this isn't the case. Oh wait, no they should have said 'this deal is voided if the other party violates the terms of the deal'
    Except the treaty gave no ability to check suspected new nuclear facilities. All Iran had to do is say it wasn't a nuclear facility and the world could do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Deepak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    Unproven. The agreement had a glaring loophole: From a practical standpoint it did absolutely nothing about Iran simply building a new facility and doing what it wants.
    Sophism. The only way know whether they're building a new facility with or without the deal is through surveillance.

    There's no conceivable way to word a deal such that this isn't the case. Oh wait, no they should have said 'this deal is voided if the other party violates the terms of the deal'
    Except the treaty gave no ability to check suspected new nuclear facilities. All Iran had to do is say it wasn't a nuclear facility and the world could do nothing.
    Nonsense. The world could do anything it could do now.

    Or to put it a different way: offer up your ideal wording that just can't be. "Iran can't lie - no taksies backsies, cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye"? This is a thread about Trump and his incompetent response to Covid 19 and you're here complaining that the Iran deal didn't include a clause you wouldn't trust even if it could be effectively worded and was agreed to in the deal?

    The deal's already dead. Iran remains a nuclear threat. The only option if they go down that route is war.


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    POLITICO on Twitter: "BREAKING: Trump announced the U.S. is officially leaving the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic.
    WHO is currently coordinating international vaccine and drug trials to fight #Covid19 https://t.co/ZWiXlXbcNs" / Twitter

    then
    POLITICO on Twitter: "Trump said he’s making good on his threat to leave WHO, which he says failed to raise the alarm over #Covid19.
    The U.S. has been the largest funder of the United Nations’ health body, which is organizing worldwide vaccine & drug trials to fight the virus https://t.co/vV7wGHVbE1" / Twitter

    noting
    Trump announces U.S. withdrawal from the World Health Organization - POLITICO
    President Donald Trump on Friday said he would make good on his threat to withdraw from the World Health Organization — an unprecedented move that could undermine the global coronavirus response and make it more difficult to stamp out other disease threats.

    Trump has criticized the United Nations health agency for failing to quickly sound the alarm when the novel virus emerged and accused it of helping China cover up the threat it posed. "Countless lives have been taken and profound economic hardship has been inflicted all around the globe," Trump said in a brief statement from the White House.

    Trump's announcement was quickly panned by health experts, who claimed it would set back global efforts to track and defeat a virus that's already killed more than 360,000 people and sickened nearly 6 million. But the move has been cheered by Trump's base, which is distrustful of international bodies.
    I'd like the Biden campaign and the Lincoln Project to compare Trump to Anthony Fremont in Twilight Zone "It's a Good Life".

    I like this reaction:
    Zina Spezakis for Congress NJ9 ✊🏼🇺🇸🌈🌹🌎 on Twitter: "Lunatic" / Twitter

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