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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Says the guy who worships a book that advocates eternal punishment for non-belief?
    Book worship is evil, but people who kill people over whose book is a better book are even more evil.
    I do think that practice is in decline in most places around the world.

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    Just out of curiosity, why is book worship evil? I agree that violence / killing is evil, but it doesn't matter if it's because of disagreements about books or other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheos View Post
    Just out of curiosity, why is book worship evil? I agree that violence / killing is evil, but it doesn't matter if it's because of disagreements about books or other reasons.
    It lends divine weight to human words. How could that end well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
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    Just out of curiosity, why is book worship evil? I agree that violence / killing is evil, but it doesn't matter if it's because of disagreements about books or other reasons.
    It lends divine weight to human words. How could that end well?
    Yeah, there's that... and then there's the fact that even the most-worshiped book in America calls book worship "idolatry" and deems it evil. Can't argue with God's Word, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
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    Just out of curiosity, why is book worship evil? I agree that violence / killing is evil, but it doesn't matter if it's because of disagreements about books or other reasons.
    It lends divine weight to human words. How could that end well?
    Yeah, there's that... and then there's the fact that even the most-worshiped book in America calls book worship "idolatry" and deems it evil. Can't argue with God's Word, right?
    Alas, Bibliolaters are immune to perception of irony...

    "For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
    They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
    They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go.
    Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."


    Let those who have ears, hear?

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    What has also increased among those who call themselves Christian is tribalism and authoritarianism. This flavor of Christianity doesn't give a rat's ass about church or the teachings of Christ.

    In spite of whatever humane ideas you might find in Christianity, there is no version of the Bible that values reason, evidence, admitting wrong, self reflection, education, or pacifism, or any other idea or practice that could possibly serve to mitigate the ordinary human sociopsychological and cognitive pitfalls that are so easily hijacked and turned into blind obedience to corrupt authoritarianism.

    Few, if any, flavors of Christianity offer tools, skills, or practices that equip human beings to be able to deal humanely and analytically to upheaval and fear. It's only benign in times of relative prosperity and peace that Christianity can get away with pretending to be a force for the good of humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Floof View Post
    What has also increased among those who call themselves Christian is tribalism and authoritarianism. This flavor of Christianity doesn't give a rat's ass about church or the teachings of Christ.

    In spite of whatever humane ideas you might find in Christianity, there is no version of the Bible that values reason, evidence, admitting wrong, self reflection, education, or pacifism, or any other idea or practice that could possibly serve to mitigate the ordinary human sociopsychological and cognitive pitfalls that are so easily hijacked and turned into blind obedience to corrupt authoritarianism.

    Few, if any, flavors of Christianity offer tools, skills, or practices that equip human beings to be able to deal humanely and analytically to upheaval and fear. It's only benign in times of relative prosperity and peace.
    Find a really crazy christian and you have someone doing speed or some other drug. Meth will do that to a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
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    Just out of curiosity, why is book worship evil? I agree that violence / killing is evil, but it doesn't matter if it's because of disagreements about books or other reasons.
    It lends divine weight to human words. How could that end well?
    If the book happened to be one that did not include passages that encouraged its followers to engage in practices that adversely effect the well-being of the practitioner or their fellow humans (or other animals) it would be quite possible for it to "end well."

    Perhaps such books exist and their practitioners enjoy improved existence for their devoted adherence to the teachings therein and you never hear of them because they're not flying airplanes into buildings full of people or galvanizing themselves into invading armies to pillage villages of infidels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Floof View Post
    What has also increased among those who call themselves Christian is tribalism and authoritarianism. This flavor of Christianity doesn't give a rat's ass about church or the teachings of Christ.

    In spite of whatever humane ideas you might find in Christianity, there is no version of the Bible that values reason, evidence, admitting wrong, self reflection, education, or pacifism, or any other idea or practice that could possibly serve to mitigate the ordinary human sociopsychological and cognitive pitfalls that are so easily hijacked and turned into blind obedience to corrupt authoritarianism.

    Few, if any, flavors of Christianity offer tools, skills, or practices that equip human beings to be able to deal humanely and analytically to upheaval and fear. It's only benign in times of relative prosperity and peace.
    Find a really crazy christian and you have someone doing speed or some other drug. Meth will do that to a person.
    Yeah, that's the ticket. Nothing to look at here but some methheads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheos View Post
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    Just out of curiosity, why is book worship evil? I agree that violence / killing is evil, but it doesn't matter if it's because of disagreements about books or other reasons.
    It lends divine weight to human words. How could that end well?
    If the book happened to be one that did not include passages that encouraged its followers to engage in practices that adversely effect the well-being of the practitioner or their fellow humans (or other animals) it would be quite possible for it to "end well."

    Perhaps such books exist and their practitioners enjoy improved existence for their devoted adherence to the teachings therein and you never hear of them because they're not flying airplanes into buildings full of people or galvanizing themselves into invading armies to pillage villages of infidels.
    Books are inherently political objects, and they reflect the social morays and values of their times. What ancient book of any length does not contain issues, directives, or moral assumptions acceptable in their own time but unpalatable to the modern reader? Books are fine as objects of conversation, but as objects of adoration they will always, eventually, turn dangerous.

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