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    Where are the libertarians in the coronavirus pandemic?

    Trump, Socialism, and the Coronavirus Epidemic - The Atlantic
    There Are No Libertarians in an Epidemic

    Donald Trump is running for reelection on an anti-socialist message. But the COVID-19 outbreak demonstrates the emptiness of ideological labels.

    Even as Kudlow spoke, the Trump administration was taking aggressive measures to halt the epidemic’s spread—measures that rely on the sort of big-government intervention that was a CPAC bogeyman. ...

    Speaking to reporters at the White House yesterday, Trump said he wants to shore up businesses and aid people whose finances have been hit. “We’re going to be working with … a lot of companies so they don’t get penalized for something that’s not their fault,” he said. ...

    “That’s not free-market capitalism,” says Jean Cohen, a political-theory professor at Columbia University, referring to the measures the White House has contemplated as the virus spreads. “You can choose the term: It’s regulated capitalism, or it’s the interventionist state, or it’s democratic socialism. If you want to serve the public good instead of private profit making, you need government to come in and make sure that’s done.”

    Whatever the term, the Trump administration’s handling of the outbreak amounts to government activism in the face of a national crisis. It’s nothing new and, as may well prove the case this time around, it’s often necessary. ...

    In Trump’s case, he may try to have it both ways: using socialism as a convenient campaign slogan, while battling the coronavirus with extraordinary measures comparable to what other modern presidents have done to beat back a crisis. Critics have panned his methods so far. As infections spread, he’s kept up his golf outings and fundraising schedule, while downplaying a virus that could have reached his outstretched hand: At CPAC, he greeted Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, who was in contact with the infected participant.
    What libertarians would do in response to coronavirus claiming that libertarians support:

    1. Praise for the free market's role in keeping day-to-day life functional.
    2. Advice of personal responsibility.
    3. Condemnation of counterproductive regulations and lack of transparency.
    4. Rejection of corporate bailouts and price controls.
    5. Mixed feelings on emergency social welfare.
    6. Skepticism of mandatory lockdowns, travel bans, and the like.
    7. Insistence on temporary changes.

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    Where are the libertarians? We weren't elected to anything, so we aren't making any policy.

    But suddenly, all the libertarians not in office not making policy is proof that everyone stops being a libertarian when those in office make various policies.

    If you want to know what policies we would enact, we would have to be in office. You are asking for what you know doesn't exist.

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    They're in their secret island mountain lair, rubbing their hands together, and calling out "My plan is working! It's WORKING!!! BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!".
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Where are the libertarians? We weren't elected to anything, so we aren't making any policy.

    But suddenly, all the libertarians not in office not making policy is proof that everyone stops being a libertarian when those in office make various policies.

    If you want to know what policies we would enact, we would have to be in office. You are asking for what you know doesn't exist.
    There are many Republicans in congress that also claim to be libertarians. I suspect you already know this but choose to erect a strawman instead.

    What would the libertarian plan be to address this issue?
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Where are the libertarians? We weren't elected to anything, so we aren't making any policy.

    But suddenly, all the libertarians not in office not making policy is proof that everyone stops being a libertarian when those in office make various policies.

    If you want to know what policies we would enact, we would have to be in office. You are asking for what you know doesn't exist.
    There are many Republicans in congress that also claim to be libertarians.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Where are the libertarians? We weren't elected to anything, so we aren't making any policy.

    But suddenly, all the libertarians not in office not making policy is proof that everyone stops being a libertarian when those in office make various policies.

    If you want to know what policies we would enact, we would have to be in office. You are asking for what you know doesn't exist.
    There are many Republicans in congress that also claim to be libertarians.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    I notice you failed to address the second paragraph.
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    U.S. Representatives

    Ron Paul

    Thomas Massie
    Representative Justin Amash of Michigan – Chairman of the Liberty Caucus; left Republican Party in 2019 to become an Independent.[8]
    Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky – described as "a Northern Kentucky Republican with libertarian leanings,"[9] Massie is a "self-styled libertarian"[10] who has received libertarian support, although he has also described himself as a "'constitutional conservative' within the Republican Party."[11]
    Representative Warren Davidson of Ohio.
    Former Representative Raúl Labrador of Idaho[12]
    Former Representative Dana Rohrabacher of California[13]
    Former Representative Mark Sanford of South Carolina (also a former governor of South Carolina) – often described as a figure with libertarian views;[14] claimed to have turned down an offer from Libertarian Party presidential nominee Gary Johnson to be his vice presidential running mate in the 2016 election.[15]
    Former Representative Bob Barr of Georgia[16]
    Former Representative Helen Chenoweth-Hage, of Idaho.
    Former Representative Kerry Bentivolio of Michigan[17]
    Former Representative Connie Mack IV of Florida – described as "a staunch fiscal conservative...with libertarian tendencies."[18]
    Former Representative Ron Paul of Texas – longstanding Libertarian Republican icon; unsuccessfully ran for president in 1988 as the Libertarian nominee.[19][20]
    Former Representatives Howard H. Buffett of Nebraska, Ralph W. Gwinn of New York, Frederick C. Smith of Ohio, and H.R. Gross of Iowa – members of the House described by Murray Rothbard as "extreme right ... solidly isolationist and opposed to foreign wars and interventions, and roughly free-market and libertarian in domestic affairs."[21]

    U.S. Senators

    Rand Paul
    Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky – is sometimes regarded as libertarian-leaning,[22] although David Boaz of the Cato Institute notes that "Paul doesn't claim to be a libertarian, and he takes positions that many libertarians disagree with."[23]
    Senator Mike Lee of Utah – described as an economic and civil libertarian.[24][25]
    Former Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona[26]
    Former Senator George Frisbie Hoar of Massachusetts[27]
    Libertarian Republican
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    I notice you failed to address the second paragraph.
    Let them die. That is always the libertarian plan for healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Where are the libertarians? We weren't elected to anything, so we aren't making any policy.

    But suddenly, all the libertarians not in office not making policy is proof that everyone stops being a libertarian when those in office make various policies.

    If you want to know what policies we would enact, we would have to be in office. You are asking for what you know doesn't exist.
    There are many Republicans in congress that also claim to be libertarians.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    Jason: are you saying that there aren't any republicans who call themselves libertarian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    Jason: are you saying that there aren't any republicans who call themselves libertarian?
    There are a very few libertarian congress critters who caucus with the Republican caucus. Sorta like there are socialist congress critters who caucus with the Democrat caucus. For example Rand Paul caucuses with Republicans and Bernie Sanders caucuses with the Democrats.

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