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    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    No, it is not apt, because blaming China won't prevent future epidemics
    But shutting down the "wet markets" will certainly reduce the risk. That is where this virus started and it will happen again if they don't start shutting these places now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    China and other countries have made some of the wildlife trade illegal in the past, and they are now putting even more stringent rules in place.
    It's a start but it is not enough.


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    It is unnecessary to shut down all wet markets, because they alone are not the problem.
    But the one in Wuhan was and I believe it is shut now. Talk about locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. They need to start locking more stable doors now. Along with their other questionable practices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    The Chinese are doing that now without the need for ignorant racist fearmongering in other countries to inspire them to do it. It turns out that they don't like pandemics any more than we do.
    Maybe if the Chinese government were made to pay reparations they would close them down a bit quicker, like before they unleash another virus on the world.

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    in the middle of this video from July 2018 there is an ironic tidbit,

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    Well, as it stands right now, Democrats have REFUSED the aid package for Americans. Pretty damn sickening. Just goes to show that if the idea was thought of by Trump, they oppose it, despite the fact it would be great for the economy and Americans.

    Trump's right. The do-nothing Democrats really hate him more than they like the American people.
    Democrats have refused the aid package for the rich. There wasn't an aid package for Americans.
    Actually, Fox News was talking about this. They just said, "The Dems are accusing the Republicans of bailing out the rich and the Republicans are accusing the Dems of only wanting their ideological terms in the package." So it seems the Dems aren't squeaky clean in this. Fox News said the Dems are acting like a bunch of children in kindergarten. "Now is not the time to play games with the American people. We need to get this done. Not stall."
    Faux Noise isn't a credible source for what actually happened. They have actually been found to lie more than they tell the truth.

    What the Republicans want is a big pool of money they can give to companies with no controls on it. That's a big boon to the rich, it will do little for the economy and the distribution would probably be very political. Not spending the money would be better than this crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post

    "Now is not the time to play games with the American people. We need to get this done. Not stall."

    Jesus H. Tap-dancing Christ are you serious?


    Just a few weeks ago, the Republican President (presiding over a Republican Senate and overly conservative judiciary) declared that this was not only going to be over shortly...with cases dropping from 15 to zero...but that the "hype" was in fact nothing more than a "hoax" perpetrated by "the media" and the Democrats for no other reason than to hurt his reelection chances.

    The virus was "contained" and we should all be dumping our money into the stock market, which was going to go through the roof when the "fake" crisis passed.

    The CDC? The pandemic response team? Not needed. Nope, all we had to do was maybe take a day or two off work and everything would be just fine.


    Now? Fucking morons who bought into this truckload of bullshit are all "we need to stop pointing fingers and come together to get things done."


    Like it or not, but since the founding of this nation every single President has been given the credit and/or taken the blame for whatever happens on their watch. In just my life alone, Johnson was blamed for Vietnam (to the point where he refused to run again), Nixon was blamed for corruption (to the point where he resigned), Ford was blamed for the fallout from Nixon, Carter was blamed for the economic "malaise," Reagan was credited for the recovery, Bush was blamed for the subsequent recession, Clinton given credit for the 90s boom, Bush 2, Electric Boogaloo for the economic crash, and Obama for not bringing us out of the depths fast enough.

    Now all of a sudden, Trump supporters want to act like none of this is the responsibility of their Dear Leader. Whether you think that's fair or not is irrelevant. Fragilego Mussolini is the current occupant of the White House, and the buck stops - despite his protestations to the contrary - at the Resolute Desk. And to bring it back to the OP, he's not just trying to shirk responsibility, he's trying to blame it on Asians in general! What the actual fuck? Trump is a spectacular failure of a leader at a moment when we've never needed a leader before. If the percentage of mortality for this outbreak is similar to the H1N1 virus, more Americans will die than were killed in WWII. As many Americans will die as in the Civil War. As many as die annually from heart disease and more than from cancer.

    But hey, just listen to Fox News and support Trump no matter what, right? At some point I'd think your undying faith in Jesus would lead you to realize when you'd been lied to, but apparently I'm wrong.

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    To be fair, what he said was that labeling his administration preparation and response as terrible was the hoax. Which is what fragile Don really cares about.

    But it was shitty so there was no hoax on the labeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    50% of Americans say Trump's doing a good job. 45% say no. 5% said I don't know.
    99% of people think that is a bullshit statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Actually, Fox News was talking about this. They just said, "The Dems are accusing the Republicans of bailing out the rich and the Republicans are accusing the Dems of only wanting their ideological terms in the package." So it seems the Dems aren't squeaky clean in this. Fox News said the Dems are acting like a bunch of children in kindergarten. "Now is not the time to play games with the American people. We need to get this done. Not stall."
    You really need to stop using quotation marks until you learn how they are meant to be applied. Who said all the rhetorical crap you quoted and when?

    Look, it appears you live, eat and breathe in the realm of youtube, so just to put things into your perspective, if you don't source whom you are quoting, then you come off sounding as completely full of shit as these people:


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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    ...But shutting down the "wet markets" will certainly reduce the risk. That is where this virus started and it will happen again if they don't start shutting these places now.
    First, you need to understand what a "wet market" is. It is not the source of the problem. It is just a market that typically sells fresh seafood, and the name derives from water being splashed around. If you've ever been to one (which I'm pretty sure you haven't), the floor is typically very wet. Then you need to understand what caused this problem--a virus transferred from wild animals sold in some of these markets in China to humans. Such transfers can and do occur between livestock and humans in rural areas, but this one just happened to take place in a wet market. So that is the location, but not the problem. China and other Asian nations are addressing the problem by cracking down on the sale of wildlife in such markets, not by shutting down fresh seafood markets that feed millions of people all over Asia. You might as well shut down Pike Place Market in Seattle, while you are at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    It is unnecessary to shut down all wet markets, because they alone are not the problem.
    But the one in Wuhan was and I believe it is shut now. Talk about locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. They need to start locking more stable doors now. Along with their other questionable practices.
    The wet market in Wuhan was shut down to decontaminate it. It will open again, but without the wildlife traffic this time. There are a lot of questionable practices on farms in the US that ought to be shut down, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    The Chinese are doing that now without the need for ignorant racist fearmongering in other countries to inspire them to do it. It turns out that they don't like pandemics any more than we do.
    Maybe if the Chinese government were made to pay reparations they would close them down a bit quicker, like before they unleash another virus on the world.
    This advice is sure to fall on deaf ears, but don't be an idiot! Sanctions on China aren't needed, because the pandemic itself was sufficient to trigger drastic action in China. It caused far more economic damage than any sanctions imposed by the US could, and the Chinese have been behaving far more responsibly than the US lately. We are looking at an exponential growth in the number of infections in the US while the President is strenuously resisting efforts to curtail its growth. His fear is that the economic damage will be worse than the damage (i.e. massive number of deaths) we are facing. So we are quickly going to become a huge remaining problem for the rest of the world, since they are not going to want much to do with a country that leads world exports in COVID-19 disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    First, you need to understand what a "wet market" is. It is not the source of the problem. {snip}
    I know what a "wet market" is, I have never been to one but I have seen the footage and Wuhan was the source of this (COVAD-19) virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    You might as well shut down Pike Place Market in Seattle, while you are at it.
    And if Pike Place Market was slaughtering primates, bats, cats, rats, dogs and whatever critters it could find running/flying loose or smuggled in from abroad I would be all for shutting it down. But I'm pretty sure it isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    Sanctions on China aren't needed, because the pandemic itself was sufficient to trigger drastic action in China.
    I'm not talking about sanctions, I talking about presenting the Chinese government with a $2 trillion dollar invoice for damage done to the USA. Europe should do likewise. And insist China do more to shut these "wet markets" and other questionable practices such as the Yulin dog meat festival. PERMANENTLY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post

    First, you need to understand what a "wet market" is. It is not the source of the problem. It is just a market that typically sells fresh seafood, and the name derives from water being splashed around. If you've ever been to one (which I'm pretty sure you haven't), the floor is typically very wet. Then you need to understand what caused this problem--a virus transferred from wild animals sold in some of these markets in China to humans. Such transfers can and do occur between livestock and humans in rural areas, but this one just happened to take place in a wet market. So that is the location, but not the problem. China and other Asian nations are addressing the problem by cracking down on the sale of wildlife in such markets, not by shutting down fresh seafood markets that feed millions of people all over Asia. You might as well shut down Pike Place Market in Seattle, while you are at it.



    But the one in Wuhan was and I believe it is shut now. Talk about locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. They need to start locking more stable doors now. Along with their other questionable practices.
    The wet market in Wuhan was shut down to decontaminate it. It will open again, but without the wildlife traffic this time. There are a lot of questionable practices on farms in the US that ought to be shut down, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    The Chinese are doing that now without the need for ignorant racist fearmongering in other countries to inspire them to do it. It turns out that they don't like pandemics any more than we do.
    Maybe if the Chinese government were made to pay reparations they would close them down a bit quicker, like before they unleash another virus on the world.
    This advice is sure to fall on deaf ears, but don't be an idiot! Sanctions on China aren't needed, because the pandemic itself was sufficient to trigger drastic action in China. It caused far more economic damage than any sanctions imposed by the US could, and the Chinese have been behaving far more responsibly than the US lately. We are looking at an exponential growth in the number of infections in the US while the President is strenuously resisting efforts to curtail its growth. His fear is that the economic damage will be worse than the damage (i.e. massive number of deaths) we are facing. So we are quickly going to become a huge remaining problem for the rest of the world, since they are not going to want much to do with a country that leads world exports in COVID-19 disease.
    Not too different from the policy of withdrawing help from central american countries, then declaring an emergency over people fleeing the unrest that resulted. Or slapping more sanctions on Iran while they're down, after withdrawing from the agreement with which they were abiding. The only difference is that the bodies that will be piling up in a couple of weeks will be Americans in the world's biggest shithole country - America. Making it Great, finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post

    I know what a "wet market" is, I have never been to one but I have seen the footage and Wuhan was the source of this (COVAD-19) virus.

    And if Pike Place Market was slaughtering primates, bats, cats, rats, dogs and whatever critters it could find running/flying loose or smuggled in from abroad I would be all for shutting it down. But I'm pretty sure it isn't.
    Good, then you agree with me that wet markets should not be closed if they don't sell wildlife. That's precisely what is happening in China--a crackdown on that practice. So you are not in favor of shutting down wet markets generally, right? The Wuhan one can reopen, if it observes the new restrictions.

    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    Sanctions on China aren't needed, because the pandemic itself was sufficient to trigger drastic action in China.
    I'm not talking about sanctions, I talking about presenting the Chinese government with a $2 trillion dollar invoice for damage done to the USA. Europe should do likewise. And insist China do more to shut these "wet markets" and other questionable practices such as the Yulin dog meat festival. PERMANENTLY.
    That would be as stupid and pointless as calling COVID-19 the "Chinese virus". Everyone should start sending bills to everyone else because that's going to have a good outcome. We can also be billed for the Spanish Flu pandemic (with interest, of course). You should think of a career in international relations. As I pointed out earlier, China is already cracking down on the practices you refer to, and it does not need further incentives to do so.

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