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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
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    That doesn't mean tens of millions aren't vaccinated.
    2) Infection provides less protection than one vax shot, even against the strain that caused the infection.
    This is not what I've heard second hand from my Doctor source on the subject, who is a literal Dr. Know-it-all. He indicated that those infected would likely have the best immunity compared to those vaccinated. I trust his word very much.
    That's nice that you trust your doctor. I trust Fauci, Hotez and the other infectious disease specialists who have said categorically that the reinfection data indicates weaker protection (on average) from infection than from Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Their caveat, that there is a paucity of data, makes me wonder how your know-it-all Doctor came to his conclusion.
    The basic problem with infection-granted protection is that there's no guarantee the body targeted a stable part of the virus. That's why we have never had a coronavirus vaccine before--too likely for a variant to slip past it.

    Infection-induced protection is probably very good--against that strain. Just look at the reports on the Sinovac vaccine--it's an old-style killed-virus vaccine and thus has the same old problems against coronaviruses. It worked pretty well in testing because it was facing the same version it was engineered against. Against the variants, though, the protection is nowhere near as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    That doesn't mean tens of millions aren't vaccinated.
    2) Infection provides less protection than one vax shot, even against the strain that caused the infection.
    This is not what I've heard second hand from my Doctor source on the subject, who is a literal Dr. Know-it-all. He indicated that those infected would likely have the best immunity compared to those vaccinated. I trust his word very much.
    That's nice that you trust your doctor. I trust Fauci, Hotez and the other infectious disease specialists who have said categorically that the reinfection data indicates weaker protection (on average) from infection than from Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Their caveat, that there is a paucity of data, makes me wonder how your know-it-all Doctor came to his conclusion.
    He’s a very very smart doctor and I trust him a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

    That's nice that you trust your doctor. I trust Fauci, Hotez and the other infectious disease specialists who have said categorically that the reinfection data indicates weaker protection (on average) from infection than from Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Their caveat, that there is a paucity of data, makes me wonder how your know-it-all Doctor came to his conclusion.
    He’s a very very smart doctor and I trust him a lot.
    I'm sure you won't mind asking him (should you get the chance) how he came by that opinion?
    Not trying to be snarky - just wondering, since the high profile specialists of whose opinions I am aware, seem to differ with him.
    FWIW, my own brother is "a very smart doctor" and refuses to opine on that particular matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

    That's nice that you trust your doctor. I trust Fauci, Hotez and the other infectious disease specialists who have said categorically that the reinfection data indicates weaker protection (on average) from infection than from Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Their caveat, that there is a paucity of data, makes me wonder how your know-it-all Doctor came to his conclusion.
    He’s a very very smart doctor and I trust him a lot.
    I'm sure you won't mind asking him (should you get the chance) how he came by that opinion?
    Not trying to be snarky - just wondering, since the high profile specialists of whose opinions I am aware, seem to differ with him.
    FWIW, my own brother is "a very smart doctor" and refuses to opine on that particular matter.
    He's just very well read overall in medicine. He could be wrong, and if data comes out showing as such, he'll have no trouble shifting his understanding and will very likely understand the mechanism as to why that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

    I'm sure you won't mind asking him (should you get the chance) how he came by that opinion?
    Not trying to be snarky - just wondering, since the high profile specialists of whose opinions I am aware, seem to differ with him.
    FWIW, my own brother is "a very smart doctor" and refuses to opine on that particular matter.
    He's just very well read overall in medicine. He could be wrong, and if data comes out showing as such, he'll have no trouble shifting his understanding and will very likely understand the mechanism as to why that is.
    I'm fairly confident that what Loren said above is right.
    Given the extent of the coronavirus reservoir and the bleakness of any prospect of suppressing it with vaccines, naturally acquired immunity will likely be rendered useless in a year or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    More than 75,000 new US cases yesterday, and looking like we'll be right there again today.
    Putin and right are winning their fight to keep COVID alive. The Republic of DeSantis is leading the way with more than 16 thousand new cases yesterday... almost as if they think that the more Americans are sick and dying, the worse it makes Biden look.
    Given how the truth of 1/6 is overcoming their obfuscation and denial efforts, I can hardly blame them for seeking distractions.
    Now with so many vaccinated you can stop looking at new case numbers. It's not really relevant any longer. Those vaccinated can get it and spread it. But it's not a problem for them. Better to look at mortality rates. Those are through the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    More than 75,000 new US cases yesterday, and looking like we'll be right there again today.
    Putin and right are winning their fight to keep COVID alive. The Republic of DeSantis is leading the way with more than 16 thousand new cases yesterday... almost as if they think that the more Americans are sick and dying, the worse it makes Biden look.
    Given how the truth of 1/6 is overcoming their obfuscation and denial efforts, I can hardly blame them for seeking distractions.
    Now with so many vaccinated you can stop looking at new case numbers. It's not really relevant any longer. Those vaccinated can get it and spread it. But it's not a problem for them. Better to look at mortality rates. Those are through the floor.
    Hmm.


    • You misspelled hospitalization rates.
    • Forgot to cite the data that there are no long term complications for the vaccinated who contract Covid-19.
    • Seem oblivious that children under 12 aren't vaccinated yet (and will, in your response, fail to cite data indicating there are no long term health complications to children that contracted Covid-19).
    • Ignore the dangers of Delta mutating. The other strains could be more dangerous, but Delta is pretty contagious and will outperform the others. If we provide a path for that to mutate into something even more dangerous, well... that'd be pretty fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

    I'm sure you won't mind asking him (should you get the chance) how he came by that opinion?
    Not trying to be snarky - just wondering, since the high profile specialists of whose opinions I am aware, seem to differ with him.
    FWIW, my own brother is "a very smart doctor" and refuses to opine on that particular matter.
    He's just very well read overall in medicine. He could be wrong, and if data comes out showing as such, he'll have no trouble shifting his understanding and will very likely understand the mechanism as to why that is.
    I'm fairly confident that what Loren said above is right.
    Given the extent of the coronavirus reservoir and the bleakness of any prospect of suppressing it with vaccines, naturally acquired immunity will likely be rendered useless in a year or so.
    It seems like we'll have no choice but to find out because human beings are idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    More than 75,000 new US cases yesterday, and looking like we'll be right there again today.
    Putin and right are winning their fight to keep COVID alive. The Republic of DeSantis is leading the way with more than 16 thousand new cases yesterday... almost as if they think that the more Americans are sick and dying, the worse it makes Biden look.
    Given how the truth of 1/6 is overcoming their obfuscation and denial efforts, I can hardly blame them for seeking distractions.
    Now with so many vaccinated you can stop looking at new case numbers. It's not really relevant any longer. Those vaccinated can get it and spread it. But it's not a problem for them. Better to look at mortality rates. Those are through the floor.
    "Low" mortality rate is misleading. It is low because demographics shifted toward young people in US. Old people who could die are either dead already or vaccinated. Younger people die less often, they will just have long Covid for the rest of their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    More than 75,000 new US cases yesterday, and looking like we'll be right there again today.
    Putin and right are winning their fight to keep COVID alive. The Republic of DeSantis is leading the way with more than 16 thousand new cases yesterday... almost as if they think that the more Americans are sick and dying, the worse it makes Biden look.
    Given how the truth of 1/6 is overcoming their obfuscation and denial efforts, I can hardly blame them for seeking distractions.
    Now with so many vaccinated you can stop looking at new case numbers. It's not really relevant any longer. Those vaccinated can get it and spread it. But it's not a problem for them. Better to look at mortality rates. Those are through the floor.
    "Low" mortality rate is misleading. It is low because demographics shifted toward young people in US. Old people who could die are either dead already or vaccinated. Younger people die less often, they will just have long Covid for the rest of their lives.
    ...and something like 400 children have died from Covid-19. Out of 600,000, kind of low. But then again, most children don't die of anything, so kind of high. People in their 30s and 40s dying from Covid-19. Not a lot, but when it is preventable... it seems egregiously high.

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