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    Quote Originally Posted by TV and credit cards View Post
    In Georgia, are you obligated to stop when another citizen tells you to?
    Apparently there are citizen's arrest laws on the books.

    Even from the video, Mr. Arbery was attempting to mind his own business.
    Not if he really was the guy guilty of those break-ins. Given his history of theft, that is not unlikely.

    The now silent Mr. Arbery was within his right to defend himself against an armed stranger. The other McMichael shot him down in cold blood.
    "Cold blood" definitely doesn't apply here, as Arbery was shot after the two struggled over a gun.

    But then again,
    Quote Originally Posted by NYT
    Gregory McMichael is a former Glynn County police officer and a former investigator with the local district attorney’s office who retired last May.
    So, there you go.
    I wonder if that's why Lee Merrittless took the case. Trying to shake down the county for millions.

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    This exposes how stupid Stand Your Ground laws are. These idiots grab their guns and pursue a runner. The DA says, well, they were just defending themselves. But what about the runner? Has he no right to defense from a couple crazy assholes with guns?! Stand Your Ground is simply a bullshit law that is solely designed to defend Han Solo, ie the guy who shoots first).
    Quote Originally Posted by TV and credit cards View Post
    In Georgia, are you obligated to stop when another citizen tells you to? Even from the video, Mr. Arbery was attempting to mind his own business. The now silent Mr. Arbery was within his right to defend himself against an armed stranger. The other McMichael shot him down in cold blood.
    But then again,
    Quote Originally Posted by NYT
    Gregory McMichael is a former Glynn County police officer and a former investigator with the local district attorney’s office who retired last May.
    So, there you go.
    The statement in the DA report notes that they had the legal right to apprehend the man... but the DA cites the law and law states you have to witness the crime, it doesn't state suspicion is enough.

    What bothers me is the DA report refers to the video, so this video has been in their hands since the shooting and they are only now at a grand jury.

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    This case is probably finally going to the Grand Jury to decide if criminal charges should be filed, which of course they should be filed.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/u...g-georgia.html


    A Georgia prosecutor said on Tuesday that a grand jury should decide whether to bring charges in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old unarmed black man who was pursued by two white men and shot in southern Georgia in February, as video of the encounter spread widely online.
    “After careful review of the evidence,” the prosecutor, Tom Durden, of Georgia’s Atlantic Judicial Circuit, wrote in a statement, “I am of the opinion that the case should be presented to the grand jury of Glynn County for consideration of criminal charges.”
    “This is very grave and very serious judicial malpractice,” James Woodall, the president of the Georgia N.A.A.C.P., said on Tuesday afternoon.
    In a statement, Andrea Young, executive director of the A.C.L.U. of Georgia, said “the vigilante behavior that we saw in Brunswick is unacceptable in a civilized society.”
    A spokesman for the Glynn County Police Department could not be reached for comment on Tuesday.

    Mr. Durden said in a statement that the case should go before a Glynn County grand jury once the state judicial system allows such bodies to be empaneled again. Because of the coronavirus pandemic, the Georgia Supreme Court has prohibited grand juries from meeting through June 12.
    Mr. Durden said he made his decision after “careful review of the evidence,” and after consulting with the Glynn County Police Department, the F.B.I., the United States attorney for the Southern District of Georgia and the Prosecuting Attorneys’ Council of Georgia.
    Mr. Durden is the third prosecutor to be assigned to the case after the first two recused themselves because of professional ties to Gregory McMichael.
    And no. This isn't normal in Georgia, but I know nothing about the politics of that part of the state. It sounds, from the little that is said in these articles, that the killers had political connections with some of those in power, considering that two prosecutors recused themselves. It appears to be an obvious case of murder.

    Thankfully, I live in a mixed race neighborhood where black and white people walk and jog through the neighborhood and nobody worries about the color of the jogger's skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Apparently there are citizen's arrest laws on the books.


    Not if he really was the guy guilty of those break-ins. Given his history of theft, that is not unlikely.

    The now silent Mr. Arbery was within his right to defend himself against an armed stranger. The other McMichael shot him down in cold blood.
    "Cold blood" definitely doesn't apply here, as Arbery was shot after the two struggled over a gun.

    But then again,
    Quote Originally Posted by NYT
    Gregory McMichael is a former Glynn County police officer and a former investigator with the local district attorney’s office who retired last May.
    So, there you go.
    I wonder if that's why Lee Merrittless took the case. Trying to shake down the county for millions.
    There is no evidence that the man who was murdered broke the law. The two shooters said that he looked like the guy who broke into some homes. Gee. Fucking white assholes have a long history of mistaking the identity of black men. Do you have an idea how many innocent black men have been charged with crimes that they didn't commit? Now, a man is gunned down for the crime of jogging while black. Disgusting!

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    I was once yelled at when I was in high school. I was doing hill intervals, going up and down the same big ass hill several times. I start going back down to the bottom and some guy asks me "Do you think you are funny?" I'm thinking "What?!" He went to accuse me of shutting his garage door. I'm thinking, I've been going back and forth on this hill (I fucking look like a runner, have been running the neighborhood for a couple years at that point). He demands to know where I live, I give him a vague description of the house, you know, just down the road, and he kind of gets his anger boner going flaccid. And it ends, and I go back to running up a hill like an idiot.

    So I have an inkling of the confusion that poor runner must have had. But certainly not the fear when seeing a couple of entitled white assholes with guns telling you what to do. And you are thinking, what the fuck is going on, who the fuck are these guys, etc...

    And that there was video and that concurred with the killer's story? That is disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Apparently there are citizen's arrest laws on the books.
    If they witness a crime committed. They only suspected it.

    "Cold blood" definitely doesn't apply here, as Arbery was shot after the two struggled over a gun.
    There is definitely premeditation when you grab your guns to follow someone. They called it in, they could have followed at a distance... they didn't need to get involved. We have another dead person because the law is currently written that defends people recklessly creating situations and then shooting people because of the hazard they created.

    There is a subset of white people that just don't understand walking around with guns (and not hunting) can be a bit intimidating for others.

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    Well ... that was fucking murder.

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    I found another article in the Atlanta Journal about this case

    https://www.ajc.com/news/local/bring...Nqfedg8JgXm2K/


    Brunswick attorney James Yancey said he believes Greg and Travis McMichael would have avoided criminal charges if not for the video. “It showed the depths of humanity,” Yancey said.Now, the investigation enters a whole new phase. GBI agents will now be asking the questions, backed by assurances from Gov. Brian Kemp they’ll conduct a thorough, independent probe.
    nstead, Glynn police asked the GBI investigate the public release of the video. The agency tweeted its honoring that request while also looking into “allegations of threats against GCPD and individuals involved in the active investigation.” But the video, posted on YouTube Tuesday morning, had put the onus back on local law enforcement. Was race a factor in Glynn police’s decision not to charge the McMichaels, who are white, for the killing of an unarmed black man?

    Questions also surround Greg McMichael’s ties to local law enforcement. The elder McMichael was once a Glynn police officer before joining the Brunswick Judicial Circuit as an investigator in the D.A.’s office.
    So, the killer was a former police officer. That might explain why the prosecutors didn't want to take the case. And people wonder why so many black folks don't trust the police!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post
    I've held conceal carry permits in 3 states now and EVERY class you sit through makes it clear that you DO NOT grab your guns and pursue anyone. Even if Arbery was actually guilty of a burglary, I'm pretty sure that's not punishable by death. This is a murder.
    In the video it can be seen that Arbery grabbed the shotgun. Not murder. Manslaughter at most.
    Chasing him down while brandishing the weapons shows intent even if it's not "premeditated". I think that's the definition of 2nd degree murder but I'm no law expert. Do you expect Arbery to just lay down on the ground and not try to fight his way out? These aren't police chasing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post
    I've held conceal carry permits in 3 states now and EVERY class you sit through makes it clear that you DO NOT grab your guns and pursue anyone. Even if Arbery was actually guilty of a burglary, I'm pretty sure that's not punishable by death. This is a murder.
    In the video it can be seen that Arbery grabbed the shotgun. Not murder. Manslaughter at most.
    Chasing him down while brandishing the weapons shows intent even if it's not "premeditated". I think that's the definition of 2nd degree murder but I'm no law expert. Do you expect Arbery to just lay down on the ground and not try to fight his way out? These aren't police chasing him.
    Dude, the right to try and defend yourself doesn't apply to black people. Grow up. The man may have even had a cellphone.

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