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    California: Harbinger of Idiocracy

    UC makes landmark decision to drop ACT and SAT requirement for admission

    In a decision that could reshape the nation’s college admissions process, University of California regents unanimously voted Thursday to suspend SAT and ACT testing requirements through 2024 and eliminate them for California students by 2025.
    The University of California will now be a community college - as Chris Rock said - because anyone can go there. The insatiable need of the cloistered ivy-tower elite to assure warm tuition-paying bodies - incurring punishing debt - is apparently more important than the reputation of their universities. Incidentally, the University of California's own task force recommended against abandoning standardized tests.

    The STTF found that standardized test scores aid in predicting important aspects of student success, including undergraduate grade point average (UGPA), retention, and completion. At UC, test scores are currently better predictors of first-year GPA than high school grade point average (HSGPA), and about as good at predicting first-year retention, UGPA, and graduation.3 For students within any given (HSGPA) band, higher standardized test scores correlate with a higher freshman UGPA, a higher graduation UGPA, 4and higher likelihood of graduating within either four years (for transfers) or seven years (for freshmen). Further, the amount of variance in student outcomes explained by test scores has increased since 2007, while variance explained by high school grades has decreased, although altogether does not exceed 26%. Test scores are predictive for all demographic groups and disciplines, even after controlling for HSGPA. In fact, test scores are better predictors of success for students who are Underrepresented Minority students (URMs), who are first-generation, or whose families are low-income: that is, test scores explain more of the variance in UGPA and completion rates for students in these groups. One consequence of dropping test scores would be increased reliance on HSGPA in admissions. The STTF found that California high schools vary greatly in grading standards, and that grade inflation is part of why the predictive power of HSGPA has decreased since the last UC study.
    Report of the UC Academic CouncilStandardized Testing Task Force

    However, for those who want to see a degree from "elite" schools devalued, huzzah!

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    California banned so-called "affirmative action" in the 1990s and this is a blatently transparent gambit by Janet Napolitano (who is a believer in racial preferences) to get around that ban by getting rid of an objective measure. High school GPAs are heavily dependent on the school you attend. A 4.0 in a urban "Dangerous Mind"-style school might be equivalent to 3.6 in a good school so there is a lot of room for admission shenanigans. But a 1500 SAT is 1500 no matter what school the student attends. Objective measures like that are anathema to those who want to sneak racial preferences back into UC admissions.
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    And so it continues.
    Marching headlong into obsolescence.
    Good.

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    But that's just who is accepted in. If they're not changing their grading standards, then it shouldn't make a diploma less valuable.

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    I remember in high school everyone had the exact same grades, the only thing that was different was our SAT scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blastula View Post
    But that's just who is accepted in. If they're not changing their grading standards, then it shouldn't make a diploma less valuable.
    But it's going to change the grading. A professor who keeps failing the blacks is going to be in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blastula View Post
    But that's just who is accepted in. If they're not changing their grading standards, then it shouldn't make a diploma less valuable.
    But it's going to change the grading. A professor who keeps failing the blacks is going to be in trouble.
    That’s the thing. The teacher is grading students, not races.

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    I did not know community colleges had no admission. Now it makes sense to me. I remember one of the guys I knew was tutoring a "kid" who went there, that was weird to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blastula View Post
    But that's just who is accepted in. If they're not changing their grading standards, then it shouldn't make a diploma less valuable.
    But it's going to change the grading. A professor who keeps failing the blacks is going to be in trouble.
    First, "the blacks", really?

    Second, I don't know about the University of California, but all the public universities that I know do not scrutinize professors by the grade distribution or grade outcomes by demographics. None. So, I doubt LP's fears are realistic.

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    if COVID-19 persists long enough, higher education could become a lot more affordable if not practically free in some cases.
    Lots of high paid diversicrats will lose their jobs.

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