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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
    How would you know that it is not started in the future?
    Well in the Matrix the simulation exists in a world that is 200 years in the future.... or perhaps you mean it simulates the future then goes back in the past?

    Think about what it is like to live in a simulation. For you, time passes normally. But the computer simulating you could run faster or slower than the "simulated" time. And the execution could be even suspended at times, and then resumed at a later time. You might even reverse time in a simulation. For you, it would not feel any different because you are inside the simulation. So there is no way of telling whether you are in a simulation that is running forwards from last Tuesday, or backwards from next Tuesday. And actually you can't even tell a difference between a simulation that is not run at all, as long as the laws governing the simulation are deterministic.
    I agree... BTW because of how time works in a simulation, it is possible for a simulation of hell to be equivalent to thousands or maybe millions of years.... though it isn't quite compatible with the church tradition because you can't fully simulate an eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
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    Everything happens in the present. Simulations run in present time.
    That's a weird way of thinking the universe. It not only violates relativity, but basic human experience.
    Yeah time could pass at different speeds in a simulation based on gravity and velocity... this isn't really possible in a real time simulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
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    Everything happens in the present. Simulations run in present time.
    That's a weird way of thinking the universe. It not only violates relativity, but basic human experience.
    It is relativity. Your time rate is not the same as an astronaut heading for the stars, but both experience their own present moment in time. Neither experiences the past or the future moment in time, only their own present moment in time.

    That each experience different flow of time, time being relative, doesn't change what is being experienced by each observer in their present moment.

    Looking at a star you see light that radiated from the star in the past, yet you see it in your present moment in time, not your past, not your future.

    If someone is running a simulation, they are running it in their present, not their future, not their past.

    You can't run a simulation in the past. You can run simulations of the past. You can run simulations of any period in history, but you are running it in now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
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    Everything happens in the present. Simulations run in present time.
    That's a weird way of thinking the universe. It not only violates relativity, but basic human experience.
    Yeah time could pass at different speeds in a simulation based on gravity and velocity... this isn't really possible in a real time simulation.
    Everything you do is in real time. Try to do something, anything, in the past or in the future. You can do something in the future when tomorrow becomes today, becomes now.

    You can run simulations of the past or a projected future, but you are running them now, in your present moment.

    Time being relative, each actor is operating within their own timeframe, not somebody else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    Yeah time could pass at different speeds in a simulation based on gravity and velocity... this isn't really possible in a real time simulation.
    Everything you do is in real time.
    By a real-time simulation I mean like a normal multiplayer game.... in those games you can't have proper bullet time... if time slowed down for some players so that they could dodge bullets, it would affect how the other players perceive time.
    Time being relative, each actor is operating within their own timeframe, not somebody else's.
    That would involve their brains running at different clock speeds... or however the brain senses the speed of time (apparently some drugs can do that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    That would involve their brains running at different clock speeds... or however the brain senses the speed of time (apparently some drugs can do that)
    The brain activity of a star ship astronaut runs at a different rate because time is relative. He does not feel that his perception of time and activity is slower than it was on Earth. If he is running a simulation, his simulation runs at the same rate as his brain activity and the rest of the ship. If his simulation involves the classical world, ancient Greece, for example, the 'ancient Greek' inhabitants of his simulation feel like they live in Greece at that time in History but their actual existence is star ship/astronaut time.

    If you were running a simulation, it would be in your timeframe regardless of the period setting of your simulation.....the Jurassic or whatever.

    If our World is a simulation, it may be being generated in the year 3020. We have no way of knowing.

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    @DBT:
    This is what I mean by a "real-time simulation" - in the "White Christmas" episode of Black Mirror, the "cookie" runs at a normal rate.... then the guy speeds up her time so that each second seems like about 24 hours to her. (only the first part of that section is shown)

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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    @DBT:
    This is what I mean by a "real-time simulation" - in the "White Christmas" episode of Black Mirror, the "cookie" runs at a normal rate.... then the guy speeds up her time so that each second seems like about 24 hours to her. (only the first part of that section is shown)
    Maybe you can summarize. I try not to watch videos.

    Things do run at different rates, Time runs at different rates, GPS has to be adjusted for satellite time rate, etc, but the point is that if you are running a simulation set in ancient Greece, for example, and the inhabitants feel they are people of their era, strolling in the Agora, building the Parthenon, they are not really living in the third century BCE despite their experience, their experience is an illusion, a simulation.

    Their simulation is being run here and now.

    You, the programmer, can watch what your 'ancient Greeks' are doing here and now.

    If our world is a simulation we may perceive ourselves to be in 2020, yet our simulation may actually be running in the year 3020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Maybe you can summarize. I try not to watch videos.
    A woman's consciousness has been put in the egg in the picture. She sees herself in a virtual room inside the egg. She misbehaves and the man makes every second last for 24 hours... 20 seconds later she's been alone in her virtual room for 3 weeks and is starting to go crazy. Before that happened the rate that time passes was the same as the man so the simulation was in "real time". (this is shown in the first 16 seconds of the video)

    Things do run at different rates, Time runs at different rates, GPS has to be adjusted for satellite time rate, etc,
    I suspect though that time runs slightly slower for satellites due to a simulation treating them differently.... (in order to be consistent with my belief about this being a simulation)

    ....You, the programmer, can watch what your 'ancient Greeks' are doing here and now.
    Though it could be like that "Black Mirror" episode and every second could be 24 hours... (there is another episode where 1000 simulations are run within a short amount of time to see if a couple would be compatible). There is also an episode of Rick and Morty where they live an entire life span of "Roy" within a couple of minutes.... then wake up and remember their real identity.

    If our world is a simulation we may perceive ourselves to be in 2020, yet our simulation may actually be running in the year 3020.
    Yes of course...
    Last edited by excreationist; 07-07-2020 at 11:30 AM.

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