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    Major League Baseball teams used to maintain a “disabled list” (DL) on which were placed players who had suffered a temporary injury and couldn’t play for a period of time. A player on the DL could be replaced by another able-bodied player.

    So last year they changed the name of the DL to “IL,” standing for “injured list,” out of fear of insulting people who were actually disabled. As a permanently disabled person, this rather amused me. It never occurred to me to be offended. I can’t imagine why it would. By the way I am an ardent supporter of the Americans with Disabilities Act and get very irritated at buildings – or in my neighborhood, sidewalks – that have not been modified for ease of access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
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    Where did he call them deranged? Copernicus said that most, not all people don't care about this. I think he's right. He was just explaining how difficult it would be to change some of the terms that offend a small percentage of people.

    It would be really helpful if people would communicate more effectively and actually listen to each other. Imo, it would be better to use our energy to try and change how people treat each other, and work to change the systemic racism in our system, instead of spending so much time worrying about words that aren't even being used to describe humans.

    As individuals, we can avoid using certain terms and words to describe groups of people. We can all do that, but if slave/master are used to describe something that has no relationship to humans, it does seem a bit extreme, even to me, a person who always tries not to use offensive terms when it comes to actual humans. But, to use an old cliche' "actions speak louder than words".
    How cold and cruel you are using such an expression. I am offended... there are invalids who are incapable of actions and you are saying they don't matter as much as those are.


    Just a little satirical example of those who embrace victimhood and wokeness. No words are safe from them.
    As a person born without arms and who is thus unable to "embrace" the way you "normal" people do, this offends me. Please consider your choice of words more carefully next time out of respect for us who are appendage challenged. And from now on people, please do not use this emoji ------>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharmas View Post
    Major League Baseball teams used to maintain a “disabled list” (DL) on which were placed players who had suffered a temporary injury and couldn’t play for a period of time. A player on the DL could be replaced by another able-bodied player.

    So last year they changed the name of the DL to “IL,” standing for “injured list,” out of fear of insulting people who were actually disabled. As a permanently disabled person, this rather amused me. It never occurred to me to be offended. I can’t imagine why it would. By the way I am an ardent supporter of the Americans with Disabilities Act and get very irritated at buildings – or in my neighborhood, sidewalks – that have not been modified for ease of access.
    Yep. Reminds me of an interview I heard several years ago, about a blind man who had just scaled a pretty technically challenging mountain peak. The woman who was interviewing him was using various PC words throughout the interview to describe his disability, such as "visually impaired", "optically challenged", etc. The whole point of the interview seemed to be to show her audience how "woke" and non-offensive she could be, rather than focusing on his achievement. The guy seemed to be getting exasperated by the tone of the interview. Finally, she asked him what term he prefers to describe himself as, and he replied, "Lady, I'm fucking blind!". She turned bright red. It was classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
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    Where did he call them deranged? Copernicus said that most, not all people don't care about this. I think he's right. He was just explaining how difficult it would be to change some of the terms that offend a small percentage of people.

    It would be really helpful if people would communicate more effectively and actually listen to each other. Imo, it would be better to use our energy to try and change how people treat each other, and work to change the systemic racism in our system, instead of spending so much time worrying about words that aren't even being used to describe humans.

    As individuals, we can avoid using certain terms and words to describe groups of people. We can all do that, but if slave/master are used to describe something that has no relationship to humans, it does seem a bit extreme, even to me, a person who always tries not to use offensive terms when it comes to actual humans. But, to use an old cliche' "actions speak louder than words".
    How cold and cruel you are using such an expression. I am offended... there are invalids who are incapable of actions and you are saying they don't matter as much as those are.


    Just a little satirical example of those who embrace victimhood and wokeness. No words are safe from them.
    As a person born without arms and who is thus unable to "embrace" the way you "normal" people do, this offends me. Please consider your choice of words more carefully next time out of respect for us who are appendage challenged.


    Well done... but to be truly woke, you need to be offended for the sake of someone else (or some group that you are not a member of) that you imagine and claim would be offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post

    As a person born without arms and who is thus unable to "embrace" the way you "normal" people do, this offends me. Please consider your choice of words more carefully next time out of respect for us who are appendage challenged.


    Well done... but to be truly woke, you need to be offended for the sake of someone else (or some group that you are not a member of) that you imagine and claim would be offended.
    Very true. Have you noticed that being offended on behalf of others seems to be a thing that only white people get off on? What's up with that?

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/200...eing-offended/

    In fact there are few things white people love more than being offended.

    Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people. In fact, they don’t even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about “flyover states”). As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.

    It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples. Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it’s wrong to use the term “black” instead of “African-American,” they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.

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    Social justice is one thing. Cancel culture is something else. Cancel culture is way out of control. It stifles free speech and makes people worry about every word that they say or write. We need to stop with that shit. I for one love the letter that was published in Harpers and signed by over 100 intellectuals. It's insane that some of the far left have tried to totally redefine what left and right means when it comes to politics.

    Very true. Have you noticed that being offended on behalf of others seems to be a thing that only white people get off on? What's up with that?
    I think it must have something to do with white guilt. It's time for us to be more like MLK and stop judging each other by the color of our skin. Feeling guilty never solves problems. It often makes them worse.

    Yes, we have a problem with systemic racism in the US, but worrying about every fucking word that comes out of our mouths isn't going to improve things. I try to use words that are respectful because I have no desire to be offensive, but I'm not going to lose sleep if some ultra left wing puritan doesn't approve of some of the things I say. Toltaritarianism isn't any better than fascism.

    And, thank y'all for the laughs. Humor is still the best way to cope with crazy. Oh no. Now I've offended the mentally ill. We're all a little crazy when it comes down to it, regardless if we have an official diagnosis.

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    I'm out of touch: Most of my contact with Westerners these days is via Message Board and news sites. But one certainly gets the impression that "political correctness" is going way WAY too far. Racism was the norm in past times. Most American abolitionists were racist! — they opposed slavery but wanted to deport Blacks, not give them citizenship. Toppling statues of everyone with guilt by today's standards is absurd. What's next? Dynamite Mount Rushmore? Thomas Jefferson was an enlightened and inspirational beacon of progressive humanitarian thought (and didn't his will free all his slaves?); yet in today's clime some probably regard Jefferson as just another slaveowner — and his slaves' emancipation on his death would just raise the retort "Why not sooner?"

    Things really are getting absurd. I watch a Chess channel on YouTube. Recently he had one of his videos taken down; he doesn't know why but suspects he said of a chess position "White is better than Black here." What is he supposed to do? Change the chess colors from white/black to green/pink?

    Changing basic vocabulary seems silly. Gradual change? OK. "Cancelling" minor offenders? Count me out.

    @ Linguists: Use of "light/dark" that evaluate to "good/bad" is common in English and I doubt that the origin is race-based. How about in African languages? (In Thai "black heart" means "cruel" but this proves little, especially since Thais are light-skinned.)

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    If anybody has doubts of whether the social justice warrior society is out of control, take a look at this.

    "Social media platform Twitter is dropping the terms "master", "slave" and "blacklist" in favour of more inclusive language."
    ... I'm a lefty... but right now my chips are being moved over on the conservative side because this sort of lunacy has to be stopped.
    I'm more centrist than leftist, but support the left because the Right is much too strong in America. Something's wrong if you let this one issue push you rightward generally. You'd be playing into the Right's hands — they exaggerate these excesses of "political correctness" just so they can get more suckers to vote tax cuts for the rich.

    This is my biggest complaint with excessive "political correctness." It will annoy or offend a lot of moderates and runs the risk of pushing them to vote for the Party of pandering criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
    It is foolish to argue over the "master/slave" usage, because it exists in technical jargon that is used internationally. It is in countless contracts, specifications, instructions, warranties, and other legal documentation. Most people could care less about this issue, and it would take a lot of people caring for linguistic usage to start to change.
    Some people do care, and calling them deranged just because you gont is , well, ironically, rather deranged.
    Where did he call them deranged? Copernicus said that most, not all people don't care about this. I think he's right. He was just explaining how difficult it would be to change some of the terms that offend a small percentage of people.
    J842P and DrZoidberg did.

    Copernicus just was making an appeal to popularity fallacy: most people couldn't care less, therefore it's not a real issue.

    He did say "foolish ", though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post

    Where did he call them deranged? Copernicus said that most, not all people don't care about this. I think he's right. He was just explaining how difficult it would be to change some of the terms that offend a small percentage of people.

    It would be really helpful if people would communicate more effectively and actually listen to each other. Imo, it would be better to use our energy to try and change how people treat each other, and work to change the systemic racism in our system, instead of spending so much time worrying about words that aren't even being used to describe humans.

    As individuals, we can avoid using certain terms and words to describe groups of people. We can all do that, but if slave/master are used to describe something that has no relationship to humans, it does seem a bit extreme, even to me, a person who always tries not to use offensive terms when it comes to actual humans. But, to use an old cliche' "actions speak louder than words".
    How cold and cruel you are using such an expression. I am offended... there are invalids who are incapable of actions and you are saying they don't matter as much as those are.


    Just a little satirical example of those who embrace victimhood and wokeness. No words are safe from them.
    A rather ironic comment, given the context of a thread where someone effectively claims victimhood because a company he never worked for and doesn't plan to work for changes an internal policy that doesn't affect them in the slightest.

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