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    Here. If you want to argue from dictionary meanings.

    Endorse verb (used with object), en·dorsed, en·dors·ing. - To approve, support, or sustain:

    Synonyms.
    advocate
    back
    campaign for
    defend
    encourage
    favor
    further
    justify
    press for
    promote
    propose
    push
    recommend
    support
    tout
    uphold
    urge
    advance
    advise
    bless
    bolster
    boost
    champion
    countenance
    vindicate
    argue for
    be in corner
    brace up
    build up
    get on bandwagon
    give a leg up
    go for
    go to bat for
    go with
    ride shotgun for
    root for
    run interference for
    speak for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Here. If you want to argue from dictionary meanings.

    Endorse verb (used with object), en·dorsed, en·dors·ing. - To approve, support, or sustain:

    Synonyms.
    advocate
    back
    campaign for
    defend
    encourage
    favor
    further
    justify
    press for
    promote
    propose
    push
    recommend
    support
    tout
    uphold
    urge
    advance
    advise
    bless
    bolster
    boost
    champion
    countenance
    vindicate
    argue for
    be in corner
    brace up
    build up
    get on bandwagon
    give a leg up
    go for
    go to bat for
    go with
    ride shotgun for
    root for
    run interference for
    speak for
    Look up "tacit endorcement."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Here. If you want to argue from dictionary meanings.

    Endorse verb (used with object), en·dorsed, en·dors·ing. - To approve, support, or sustain:

    Synonyms.
    advocate
    back
    campaign for
    defend
    encourage
    favor
    further
    justify
    press for
    promote
    propose
    push
    recommend
    support
    tout
    uphold
    urge
    advance
    advise
    bless
    bolster
    boost
    champion
    countenance
    vindicate
    argue for
    be in corner
    brace up
    build up
    get on bandwagon
    give a leg up
    go for
    go to bat for
    go with
    ride shotgun for
    root for
    run interference for
    speak for
    Providing instructions to slave-owners on how to beat their slaves, and dispositions regarding the process by which descendants of slaves become the property of the owner of the parent slaves is an explicit endorsement of slavery. It approves of, actively supports and helps sustain the practice of slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    The dictionary/semantic meaning of a word is not a biblical endorsement.
    You're going have to try harder than that to convince me God approves of slavery.
    ...or slave traders and liars and perjurers

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/1-timothy/1-10.html
    Lion, none of us freethinkers are trying to convince you God approves of slavery. None of us think God approves of slavery. We are trying to convince you the Bible is not the Word of God. It's just a collection of ancient literature from many different times by many different fallible human authors, expressing those fallible human authors' often stupid or wicked opinions; and hundreds of years after the various pieces were written, a bunch of fallible churchmen who knew next to nothing about those authors held a vote, and then those fallible churchmen ordered a lot of copies of whichever books a majority of them voted for. Nothing in that process provides the slightest particle of evidence, one way or the other, as to what God approves of.

    (In case you care enough about God's actual thoughts to try to learn what He says for Himself, as opposed to putting your effort into learning what other humans say He says, Thomas Paine wrote a handy guidebook that contains some reasonable suggestions for how you might go about investigating the matter; you can read it here.)

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    Another reason to think God approved of chattel slavery: because the people of ancient Palestine thought so. Slavery was discussed in the Deuteronomic Code, and it was referenced 600 years later in the gospels, again, without any voices calling for abolition. Jesus has slaves in some of his parables. Who in the Bible is talking about those who free their slaves to get righteous in God's eyes? No one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ideologyhunter View Post
    Jesus has slaves in some of his parables.
    Ah, referencing the setup for the parables and ignoring the conclusions. Have you ever considered a career as a Southern Baptist Minister?

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    Back at ya. Name a parable that messages that slavery is an abomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ideologyhunter View Post
    Back at ya. Name a parable that messages that slavery is an abomination.
    There was once a drugged-out homeless man, lying terribly injured and vocally struggling to breathe on the side of the road on 34th St in DC. His shivering, miserable body was quite hard to miss beside the pleasant, tree-lined avenue and the faux-ancient brick townhouses. Three people passed by that morning: a Georgetown professor of law, an ordained minister of the UU, and a Republican campaign manager. The law professor, feeling worried about the legal consequences of intervening, passed by on the other side of the road. The minister, worried that the victim might have COVID and infect her such that she could no longer do her other very important work for her community, also passed by, though she crossed herself and prayed for the poor injured soul before doing so.

    The campaign manager saw the victim, and his heart was moved with compassion. He drove him to an overnight clinic and paid for treatment, and then over to a Value Inn where he bought him a room to rest for the night and a phone card so he could call his family when he woke up and sobered up.

    Now, they all lived in the same neighborhood. But who, would you say, was truly a good neighbor to the injured man? The professor, the pastor, or the prick?

    Or, while we're at it, the person who reads this story and concludes "The moral is that the Bible says there should always be homeless druggies, since they are mentioned in the story."

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    You missed my point entirely, then. The point is that no one in the entire Bible condemns slavery and tells the slave owners to set the slaves free. And Jesus is in that list of Bible figures who doesn't condemn it. Slaves figure in his parables, but there is no recorded teaching from him on slavery as a corrupting evil. If he differed with the Deuteronomic Code on slavery, he didn't, by the record, express that. If he did, suppose you quote him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ideologyhunter View Post
    You missed my point entirely, then. The point is that no one in the entire Bible condemns slavery and tells the slave owners to set the slaves free. And Jesus is in that list of Bible figures who doesn't condemn it. Slaves figure in his parables, but there is no recorded teaching from him on slavery as a corrupting evil. If he differed with the Deuteronomic Code on slavery, he didn't, by the record, express that. If he did, suppose you quote him.
    Slavery is very plainly and obviously inconsistent with Jesus' teachings. You didn't answer my question. Who, in the story, was a good neighbor to the homeless man? Remember, for your point quoted above to make any sense at all, you must go with the law professor, since the law professor correctly followed the written requirements of the law very precisely and that is what you are saying should be the measure of good conduct. So do you think that was Jesus' point? That we should all be like the law professor, and allow the suffering of others to continue as long as an authorative-sounding book tells us it's okay to do so? Do you really think that?

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