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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
    Angra Mainyu, by the way, how is your vaccination status/side effects?
    No news, so good news, thanks for asking.

    The side effects were very high fever and very bad headache for about a day, fever and headaches for two more days - 3 days in bed in total-, then 3 more days at home, tired and a bid dizzy but nothing beyond that, and nothing else since.
    I didn't expect anything else, since thrombosis is very rare, though not as much as I thought (3.1 cases every 100000 people, for the first dose). Also, if it happens, it typically happens between "around 4 to 28 days after vaccination with AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine", so I'm about 1 day away (though, even more improbably, it might happen a bit later). But it's so improbable that I'm not really worried about it; the fever, on the other hand, was high enough to worry me, but that's long ago.

    From what I read, the second dose of AZ is usually less bad, unlike Moderna or Pfizer, which is the other way around, so I have no good reason to be very worried...but I can't help but being scared, since it made me feel worse than I had in years, perhaps decades. They don't give me the choice of taking a different shot, so it will have to do. After I got my first dose, they told me that they would let me know me when they schedule the second one, but that would be no less than 84 days after the first one (84 days is the standard here, due to low availability of vaccines and because it's considered good enough).

    How are you by the way? And how are things over there?

    You got your two doses, so that gives a good amount of protection, so I reckon you'll probably be okay. But for the unvaccinated, have things gotten out of control with the Delta variant?

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    Spike in infections/death in Russia seems to to be either plateauing or going down.
    In my immediate region it jumped to 5x the low numbers just before the spike. People are not wearing masks despite all of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    In what way is someone who is vaccinated "not safe" from the virus ? Not safe from what exactly ? If you are vaccinated, the vaccine protects you from getting sick.
    The vaccine protects you from dying. That is all. Your chances of catching it are radically diminished as well as transmitting it. But they're not super low either.

    Or to put it more plainly, the vaccine turns Covid-19 into just another flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    In what way is someone who is vaccinated "not safe" from the virus ? Not safe from what exactly ? If you are vaccinated, the vaccine protects you from getting sick.
    The vaccine protects you from dying. That is all. Your chances of catching it are radically diminished as well as transmitting it. But they're not super low either.

    Or to put it more plainly, the vaccine turns Covid-19 into just another flu.
    TSwizzle keeps asking questions that seem to indicate that he thinks all people are single, don't know anyone that is immuno-compromised, don't have children under the age of 12, etc...

    Yes, being immunized makes someone substantially safer than unvaccinated. But, if everyone had bothered to get immunized, the risk of virus transmission would be virtually zero. Risk of just about any activity would be virtually zero. Things could become fully normal again, (just being mindful for overseas transmissions if the vaccine wore out).

    In other words, this pandemic could be over in the United States now, and TSwizzle is whining, "What, this isn't good enough for ya?"

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    The spike in UK is suspiciously hovering around Euro 2020. Makes one wonder the impact of the EPL opening up in August. Time will tell about a hundreds of 1000+ gatherings. They will lack the boisterous resolve as England being in a continental final, but a dozen plus would be up there.

    So, it'll come down to attendees that aren't vaccinated and are in areas that are lesser vaccinated. The math gets quite a bit more complicated, with more isolated areas than broad areas of risk as well as those that are immune but didn't know they had Covid-19. Sporting events will help overlap the isolated areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    In what way is someone who is vaccinated "not safe" from the virus ? Not safe from what exactly ? If you are vaccinated, the vaccine protects you from getting sick.
    The vaccine protects you from dying. That is all. Your chances of catching it are radically diminished as well as transmitting it. But they're not super low either.

    Or to put it more plainly, the vaccine turns Covid-19 into just another flu.
    TSwizzle keeps asking questions that seem to indicate that he thinks all people are single, don't know anyone that is immuno-compromised, don't have children under the age of 12, etc...

    Yes, being immunized makes someone substantially safer than unvaccinated. But, if everyone had bothered to get immunized, the risk of virus transmission would be virtually zero. Risk of just about any activity would be virtually zero. Things could become fully normal again, (just being mindful for overseas transmissions if the vaccine wore out).

    In other words, this pandemic could be over in the United States now, and TSwizzle is whining, "What, this isn't good enough for ya?"
    Everybody getting vaccinated is a pipe dream. I've seen numbers of 30% being antivaxxers of one sort or another.

    As a rule, sentences going "If everyone would just.... " isn't actually a plan to make the world a better place, it's a high horse. You know everybody won't do anything. Humans are opinionated, stupid and, in a free democratic world, empowered.

    I think everybody should get vaccinated. But I'm also for people able to make the choice not to. If we're not able to talk people into getting vaccinated our arguments suck and need to be improved.

    Even though I think TSwizzle is wrong. He is a kind of canary in the mine. He reminds us of how we need to work on our arguments. TSwizzle isn't a lone lunatic. He's part of a large group of misinformed people who have arguments that are logical and are supported by some data. It's also countered by a lot more data. But it is a coherent position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    TSwizzle keeps asking questions that seem to indicate that he thinks all people are single, don't know anyone that is immuno-compromised, don't have children under the age of 12, etc...

    Yes, being immunized makes someone substantially safer than unvaccinated. But, if everyone had bothered to get immunized, the risk of virus transmission would be virtually zero. Risk of just about any activity would be virtually zero. Things could become fully normal again, (just being mindful for overseas transmissions if the vaccine wore out).

    In other words, this pandemic could be over in the United States now, and TSwizzle is whining, "What, this isn't good enough for ya?"
    Everybody getting vaccinated is a pipe dream. I've seen numbers of 30% being antivaxxers of one sort or another.

    As a rule, sentences going "If everyone would just.... " isn't actually a plan to make the world a better place, it's a high horse. You know everybody won't do anything. Humans are opinionated, stupid and, in a free democratic world, empowered.
    Statistically everyone. For fuck sakes!

    I think everybody should get vaccinated. But I'm also for people able to make the choice not to.
    Yeah, I'm against alleged liberty that is actually sucking away the liberty of other people. Individual choice is not a blank check.
    If we're not able to talk people into getting vaccinated our arguments suck and need to be improved.
    Today on, arguments that shouldn't have to be made.

    Person A: You getting vaccinated?
    Person B: Duh! I'd rather not get sick and potentially make other people sick from diseases if it can be prevented.

    Even though I think TSwizzle is wrong. He is a kind of canary in the mine. He reminds us of how we need to work on our arguments. TSwizzle isn't a lone lunatic. He's part of a large group of misinformed people who have arguments that are logical and are supported by some data. It's also countered by a lot more data. But it is a coherent position.
    If memory serves (and my memory has gone to hell), TSwizzle is vax'd. TSwizzle's issue is that they are in a state of befuddlement over the concept of empathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    If we're not able to talk people into getting vaccinated our arguments suck and need to be improved.
    I’m not as optimistic as you are that there just exists a better argument out there. That somehow everyone is swayed by arguments in one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    TSwizzle keeps asking questions that seem to indicate that he thinks all people are single, don't know anyone that is immuno-compromised, don't have children under the age of 12, etc...

    Yes, being immunized makes someone substantially safer than unvaccinated. But, if everyone had bothered to get immunized, the risk of virus transmission would be virtually zero. Risk of just about any activity would be virtually zero. Things could become fully normal again, (just being mindful for overseas transmissions if the vaccine wore out).

    In other words, this pandemic could be over in the United States now, and TSwizzle is whining, "What, this isn't good enough for ya?"
    Everybody getting vaccinated is a pipe dream. I've seen numbers of 30% being antivaxxers of one sort or another.

    As a rule, sentences going "If everyone would just.... " isn't actually a plan to make the world a better place, it's a high horse. You know everybody won't do anything. Humans are opinionated, stupid and, in a free democratic world, empowered.
    You left out one: manipulative/deceptive. That's the problem with politics, especially religious conservative ideology, that it relies on tricking people. If you think this is about a free market of ideas where each person can freely exchange ideas that all can be heard equally and the best wins, then you are being naïve. And that's the critical factor when it comes to stopping End of World scenarios. It doesn't matter if it's a pandemic, climate change, or the Next Big Asteroid. The wolves trick too many sheep into fucking it up for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    I think everybody should get vaccinated. But I'm also for people able to make the choice not to. If we're not able to talk people into getting vaccinated our arguments suck and need to be improved.
    While it is desirable that everyone gets vaccinated there is going to be a stubborn, hardcore bunch of unhinged people that will not get vaccinated no matter what the argument is. These people are irrational and will not be persuaded by arguments. You'll get a few that get frightened into getting vaccinated when they know someone who has died or gotten seriously ill with the virus. The jumping up and down, ranting and raving on this board about it is baffling but also actually quite funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Even though I think TSwizzle is wrong.
    Wrong about what exactly ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    He is a kind of canary in the mine. He reminds us of how we need to work on our arguments. TSwizzle isn't a lone lunatic. He's part of a large group of misinformed people who have arguments that are logical and are supported by some data. It's also countered by a lot more data. But it is a coherent position.
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