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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
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    I know you and Trausti are obsessed with bears, but the fact they were bears is a red herring.
    How is it a red herring? I thought it was morbidly funny. But it also shows how misguided it is to mandate masks due to this atypical event. The masks are just political theater, anyway.
    Due to your obsession with bears, you are imagining them in a massive bear orgy creating viral infections. That didn't happen outside your mind.
    The other thing about it is that, despite the spike, few actually got sick. There’s really no reason to continue with this hysteria. The Zero Covid crowd are just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post

    I know you and Trausti are obsessed with bears, but the fact they were bears is a red herring.
    How is it a red herring? I thought it was morbidly funny. But it also shows how misguided it is to mandate masks due to this atypical event. The masks are just political theater, anyway.


    And South Dakota is hosting its very own super spreader event #2.

    People do stupid things. Why do you think this pandemic is continuing???????
    It’s continuing because too many have too much invested in it to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleubird View Post
    My city just started a mask mandate AGAIN! Thank you dumb-asses.
    I thought you were fine with it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    So let's see if I've got this correct:

    Despite the fact the every medical community across the world independently came to same conclusion about mask wearing during a global pandemic, you are convinced there isn't any evidence about the efficacy of wearing a mask.
    I’m not convinced but go ahead, provide the evidence that wearing a mask “stops the spread”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    So let's see if I've got this correct:

    Despite the fact the every medical community across the world independently came to same conclusion about mask wearing during a global pandemic, you are convinced there isn't any evidence about the efficacy of wearing a mask.
    I’m not convinced but go ahead, provide the evidence that wearing a mask “stops the spread”.
    For the third time:


    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...2989X211019029
    During the initial epidemic outbreak, with no social distancing, only 100% coverage of masks with high effectiveness can reduce the effective reproductive number Re below 1. During a resurgence, with lowered transmission rates due to social distancing measures, masks with medium effectiveness at 80% coverage can reduce Re below 1 but cannot do so if individuals relax social distancing efforts. Full mask coverage could significantly improve outcomes during a resurgence: with social distancing, masks with at least medium effectiveness could reduce Re below 1 and avert almost all infections, even with intervention fatigue. For coverage levels below 100%, prioritizing masks that reduce the risk of an infected individual from spreading the infection rather than the risk of a susceptible individual from getting infected yields the greatest benefit.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
    Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms; nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.

    The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce Re to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained. Economic analysis suggests that mask wearing mandates could add 1 trillion dollars to the US GDP.
    https://academic.oup.com/trstmh/article/115/1/74/5908761
    Background
    In East Asia, face masks are commonly worn to reduce viral spread. In Euope and North America, however, their use has been stigmatised for a long time, although this view has radically changed during the ongoing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic. Notwithstanding this, it is still unclear whether face masks worn by COVID-19 carriers may indeed prevent viral transmission and environmental contamination. The objective of this study was to evaluate the effectiveness of surgical face masks in filtering SARS-CoV-2.
    Methods
    Four male patients with COVID-19 were recruited for the study. Two patients wore a surgical mask for 5 h, while two others did not. The spread of the virus in the environment was evaluated through the approved Allplex 2019-nCoV assay.
    Results
    In the room with the two patients without surgical masks, the swab performed on the headboard and sides of the beds was positive for SARS-CoV-2 contamination. In the other room, where two patients were wearing surgical masks, all of the swabs obtained after 5 h tested negative.
    Conclusions
    The results of the current study add to the growing body of literature supporting the use of face masks as a measure to contain the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by retaining potentially contagious droplets that can infect other people and/or contaminate surfaces. Based on the current evidence, face masks should therefore be considered a useful and low-cost device in addition to social distancing and hand hygiene during the postlockdown phase.
    https://talkfreethought.org/showthre...l=1#post921390

    Please could someone not on his 'ignore' list at least reply with quote to this so he cannot pretend to not be aware of this evidence?

    Because frankly it's becoming very tedious indeed to see his empty requests for already provided evidence, over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bleubird View Post
    My city just started a mask mandate AGAIN! Thank you dumb-asses.
    I thought you were fine with it ?
    Fine with what? Mask mandates or dumb asses threatening my health?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    So let's see if I've got this correct:

    Despite the fact the every medical community across the world independently came to same conclusion about mask wearing during a global pandemic, you are convinced there isn't any evidence about the efficacy of wearing a mask.
    I’m not convinced but go ahead, provide the evidence that wearing a mask “stops the spread”.

    For the third time:


    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...2989X211019029
    During the initial epidemic outbreak, with no social distancing, only 100% coverage of masks with high effectiveness can reduce the effective reproductive number Re below 1. During a resurgence, with lowered transmission rates due to social distancing measures, masks with medium effectiveness at 80% coverage can reduce Re below 1 but cannot do so if individuals relax social distancing efforts. Full mask coverage could significantly improve outcomes during a resurgence: with social distancing, masks with at least medium effectiveness could reduce Re below 1 and avert almost all infections, even with intervention fatigue. For coverage levels below 100%, prioritizing masks that reduce the risk of an infected individual from spreading the infection rather than the risk of a susceptible individual from getting infected yields the greatest benefit.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
    Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms; nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.

    The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce Re to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained. Economic analysis suggests that mask wearing mandates could add 1 trillion dollars to the US GDP.
    https://academic.oup.com/trstmh/article/115/1/74/5908761
    Background
    In East Asia, face masks are commonly worn to reduce viral spread. In Euope and North America, however, their use has been stigmatised for a long time, although this view has radically changed during the ongoing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic. Notwithstanding this, it is still unclear whether face masks worn by COVID-19 carriers may indeed prevent viral transmission and environmental contamination. The objective of this study was to evaluate the effectiveness of surgical face masks in filtering SARS-CoV-2.
    Methods
    Four male patients with COVID-19 were recruited for the study. Two patients wore a surgical mask for 5 h, while two others did not. The spread of the virus in the environment was evaluated through the approved Allplex 2019-nCoV assay.
    Results
    In the room with the two patients without surgical masks, the swab performed on the headboard and sides of the beds was positive for SARS-CoV-2 contamination. In the other room, where two patients were wearing surgical masks, all of the swabs obtained after 5 h tested negative.
    Conclusions
    The results of the current study add to the growing body of literature supporting the use of face masks as a measure to contain the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by retaining potentially contagious droplets that can infect other people and/or contaminate surfaces. Based on the current evidence, face masks should therefore be considered a useful and low-cost device in addition to social distancing and hand hygiene during the postlockdown phase.
    https://talkfreethought.org/showthre...l=1#post921390

    Please could someone not on his 'ignore' list at least reply with quote to this so he cannot pretend to not be aware of this evidence?

    Because frankly it's becoming very tedious indeed to see his empty requests for already provided evidence, over and over again.
    Reposting this information in the hopes it will be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bleubird View Post
    My city just started a mask mandate AGAIN! Thank you dumb-asses.
    I thought you were fine with it ?
    Wearing a mask is about the lowest form of bother that exists.

    But only the vaccinated were supposed to not be wearing them in public.

    Many total scumbags that were not vaccinated stopped wearing masks.

    And they created a second wave.

    In Florida with our total moron for governor the numbers are as bad as they ever were.

    My hospital was nearly done with COVID. We had about 4 patients a few weeks ago.

    In the last 3 weeks we have jumped from 30 to 40 to now 80 COVID patients.

    Mostly the unvaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    I keep forgetting it is death or nothing. Why do you keep asking the same question that has been answered dozens of times.

    Mutations, more spread, strain on the health care system. Is this so hard to remember? The CDC is saying this is chicken pox grade contractibility.

    Why is your response always centered on narcissism? If Delta gets to the vaccinated, that means those in the health care fields (especially hospitals) are at risk.
    I don't think that's true. When vaccinated people get any variant of Covid-19 it's just a common flu.

    I'll reformulate the question, what's your arguments for the delta variant being dangerous to the vaccinated? I haven't seen any.
    The CDC says that 98 to 99 percent of those dying are not vaccinated. That means that 1 to 2 percent of those dying have been vaccinated.
    Yes, the flu kills people. What's new?

    The plan was to use vaccine to turn Covid-19 into a normal flu = Success. We can stop fighting it now.

    Accepting that some people die is a part of life

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    "Some people"? We crossed the half million mark in the U.S. some time ago. Losing the equivalent of our Civil War dead in the space of a year is in no way an ordinary event or one we should see as normal. (Ask any health care worker you know. Their lives have often been unbearable in the plague year.)
    No one knows how bad the variants can get -- and our unvaxxed countrymen are letting those variants breed and mutate. Unthinkable that we would let another tidal wave of this virus overtake us. This thing could paralyze us, all over again, and who can tell when or if new vaccines can be created?

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