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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/25/h...-vaccines.html

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    But what will happen if the next pandemic comes from a virus that causes Lassa fever, or from the Sudan strain of Ebola, or from a Nipah virus?
    Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is promoting an ambitious and expensive plan to prepare for such nightmare scenarios. It would cost “a few billion dollars” a year, take five years for the first crop of results and engage a huge cadre of scientists, he said.
    The idea is to make “prototype” vaccines to protect against viruses from about 20 families that might spark a new pandemic. Using research tools that proved successful for Covid-19, researchers would uncover the molecular structure of each virus, learn where antibodies must strike it, and how to prod the body into making exactly those antibodies.
    “If we get the funding, which I believe we will, it likely will start in 2022,” Dr. Fauci said, adding that he has been promoting the idea “in discussions with the White House and others.”
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    Getting ahead of the curve. We will have to see who is the first to try to politicize this and demonize Dr. Fauci.
    Sounds like a very good idea. That's why we had a vaccine so fast for Covid--it's a SARS vaccine with new targeting info stuck in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Fat lady is singing in England;

    Covid's grip on the UK is 'all over bar the shouting', a senior minister has said tonight. Virus cases plunged for a seventh straight day today and are now barely half the level seen just a week ago.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-tunnel.html

    The fear mongers are desperately looking for a new strain.
    My hospital was empty and it is now filled with COVID patients again.

    Growing everyday.

    In Florida.

    What do I care about England?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
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    Except for the issue of long covid.
    Or: pure speculation, a re-emergence of the disease in another form, such as chicken pox: shingles.
    These are viruses which embeds itself into genome, C19 is not one of them. it can't do that.
    Doesn't mean it can't hide out in the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
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    It's sick that the deniers have that kind of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
    These are viruses which embeds itself into genome, C19 is not one of them. it can't do that.
    Doesn't mean it can't hide out in the body.
    To hide it have to embed itself into genome and stay dormant, otherwise it's active and you are sick or at least viral load positive.
    Hiding in the genome is the only way of hiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
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    I think history has taught us that it's better for everyone if the government can't force people to do anything.
    Meaning no more military forces and no more police forces. Thus leading to anarchy.

    With the exception of dangerous criminals.
    How convenient.
    What? Yes, I'm all for society being organized in a way that is to the greatest benefit to the people living in it. That is what is the most convenient for everybody.

    The point of the military is to prevent the spontaneous creation of little fiefdoms to impose their rule on us. Removing the military doesn't lead to a world free from oppressive governments. It leads to a world full of opressive governments. I'm NOT a libertarian.

    I think you misunderstood my argument.

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    The point of the military is What?

    We don't pay a force to put down the constituencies. In America the constituencies are those who govern without personal armies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fromderinside View Post
    The point of the military is What?

    We don't pay a force to put down the constituencies. In America the constituencies are those who govern without personal armies.
    I'm not sure exactly who you mean by 'the constituencies' here, but literally nobody in America governs without a personal army.

    Even your small town mayors have their own police departments. The US has about 18,000 personal armies. These change hands at various elections, but nonetheless they're the personal armies of individuals at almost every level of government. From the US Military, commanded by the POTUS, through the National Guard of each State Governor, to the thousands of police departments ranging from tens of thousands of officers all the way down to fly-speck towns whose sheriff is the mayor's brother, or cousin, or both, and who is the sole law officer in that polity.

    It's personal armies all the way down in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fromderinside View Post
    The point of the military is What?

    We don't pay a force to put down the constituencies. In America the constituencies are those who govern without personal armies.
    The point of the military is to prevent anarchy. The point of the government is to organize people. The people can do what they will with that organization. A great first step is to have a military to ensure the the government stays alive. Otherwise, what's the point of getting organized?

    To go back to the original point of this derail. The only way to keep governments from needlessly controlling your life is to:

    1) Have a government (you will either be ruled by your or someone else's government)
    2) Live under the authority of a government you control (either by you being the dictator or together with others in a democracy)
    3) Try really really hard NOT to vote for things that control other people's lives unnecessarily in spite your convictions that you are one of the smart people and the the stupid people need a paternal hand to "lovingly" force them to behave correctly.

    Humans have a horrible tendency to worry about other people abusing the freedom they have been granted and them not doing what you think is the most sensible to do. Accepting and understanding that you to have probably this very same tendency is a sign of maturity and you do best in doing your best to fight this tendency in yourself.

    In this pandemic I have seen a lot of worrying tendencies among scientifically literate people who mean well but forget how precious freedom is, and how easily it is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fromderinside View Post
    The point of the military is What?

    We don't pay a force to put down the constituencies. In America the constituencies are those who govern without personal armies.
    The point of the military is to prevent anarchy.
    And we have an C19 anarchy, albeit slow.

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