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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruth Harris View Post
    Even worse, this is the status in Arkansas.

    Missouri appears to be heading down the same road. Current vaccination rate in my county? 27% have the first dose, and only 22% are fully vaccinated. One of our (small) local hospitals has at least one person per day dying from COVID this month. None of the deceased were vaccinated.

    I received word that about a dozen people from my former church contracted COVID in the past few weeks. Four of them are still sick after a month and unable to work or leave their house. Again, none of them were vaccinated. This is the second wave to go through that church. You would think after the first time they would have learned....but apparently not.

    I am seriously beginning to lose all hope that there will ever be an end to this in my part of the country.

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    To what extent will the sight of people dying in the parking lot at hospitals because the hospitals are full to the gills again get some to finally do what's right and get vaccinated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfingers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruth Harris View Post
    Even worse, this is the status in Arkansas.

    Missouri appears to be heading down the same road. Current vaccination rate in my county? 27% have the first dose, and only 22% are fully vaccinated. One of our (small) local hospitals has at least one person per day dying from COVID this month. None of the deceased were vaccinated.

    I received word that about a dozen people from my former church contracted COVID in the past few weeks. Four of them are still sick after a month and unable to work or leave their house. Again, none of them were vaccinated. This is the second wave to go through that church. You would think after the first time they would have learned....but apparently not.

    I am seriously beginning to lose all hope that there will ever be an end to this in my part of the country.

    Ruth
    To what extent will the sight of people dying in the parking lot at hospitals because the hospitals are full to the gills again get some to finally do what's right and get vaccinated?
    These people are invested in the belief of this lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfingers View Post
    To what extent will the sight of people dying in the parking lot at hospitals because the hospitals are full to the gills again get some to finally do what's right and get vaccinated?
    These people are invested in the belief of this lie.
    Exactly right. It will have next to no impact at all in this part of the country. They will just say it is "another lie".

    Ruth

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    Two stories on CNN today that provide some partial hope that when Government and health care professionals have not been able to get people to get vaccinated, employers may. Some anyway. It's not a silver bullet but might move the needle at least.
    It worked on my partner.

    His employers were very proactive from the beginning. For most of a year they required both a mask and a clear face shield. About 2 months ago, they reduced the requirements to a mask or a face shield.
    My partner was still reluctant. Then they announced that 2 weeks after your second shot neither was required.
    He got right down there and is now fully vaccinated.

    I'm not in favor of giving the government much power to force people to do or not do stuff. But I'm fine with social pressures, including employers and stores and venues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfingers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruth Harris View Post
    Even worse, this is the status in Arkansas.

    Missouri appears to be heading down the same road. Current vaccination rate in my county? 27% have the first dose, and only 22% are fully vaccinated. One of our (small) local hospitals has at least one person per day dying from COVID this month. None of the deceased were vaccinated.

    I received word that about a dozen people from my former church contracted COVID in the past few weeks. Four of them are still sick after a month and unable to work or leave their house. Again, none of them were vaccinated. This is the second wave to go through that church. You would think after the first time they would have learned....but apparently not.

    I am seriously beginning to lose all hope that there will ever be an end to this in my part of the country.

    Ruth
    Two stories on CNN today that provide some partial hope that when Government and health care professionals have not been able to get people to get vaccinated, employers may. Some anyway. It's not a silver bullet but might move the needle at least.

    Require unvaccinated employees to get tested each week at their own expense and wear N95 masks
    In all cases it requires that employers are willing to keep records of those employees who are willing to provide proof of vaccination and segregate out those who are not for more restrictive measures.

    My company has strict rules for unvaccinated employees but the company just accepts people's word for it if they are vaccinated or not. I've told the higher up that until the rules state that to get the privileges for being vaccinated, people need to show the proof that they are vaccinated. Until then they won't ever see me at the office. My opinion may not matter much because I only set foot in the office about 3 times a year before the pandemic, I know that there are people who would go to the office if they could be certain that those who say that they are vaccinated actually are vaccinated.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/tech/...ice/index.html
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/succe...ees/index.html
    We have no companies locally, to my knowledge, that are requiring vaccines or even setting any rules for unvaccinated employees. The only exceptions to that are the local hospitals, which are requiring employees to get vaccinated for the most part, and fast food places who do require their employees to wear masks while working.

    I don't know of a single store or public place within 50 miles or so who even request masking or social distancing by those entering their doors. That includes those fast food places. So even though the employees are masked, you are still at risk from other customers.

    Ruth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruth Harris View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfingers View Post
    To what extent will the sight of people dying in the parking lot at hospitals because the hospitals are full to the gills again get some to finally do what's right and get vaccinated?
    These people are invested in the belief of this lie.
    Exactly right. It will have next to no impact at all in this part of the country. They will just say it is "another lie".

    Ruth
    Yup, even with loved ones dying there are people who will still deny it. A doctor even said one patient asked that they don’t put COVID on his death certificate if he dies. Supporting the lie even beyond death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruth Harris View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfingers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruth Harris View Post
    Even worse, this is the status in Arkansas.

    Missouri appears to be heading down the same road. Current vaccination rate in my county? 27% have the first dose, and only 22% are fully vaccinated. One of our (small) local hospitals has at least one person per day dying from COVID this month. None of the deceased were vaccinated.

    I received word that about a dozen people from my former church contracted COVID in the past few weeks. Four of them are still sick after a month and unable to work or leave their house. Again, none of them were vaccinated. This is the second wave to go through that church. You would think after the first time they would have learned....but apparently not.

    I am seriously beginning to lose all hope that there will ever be an end to this in my part of the country.

    Ruth
    Two stories on CNN today that provide some partial hope that when Government and health care professionals have not been able to get people to get vaccinated, employers may. Some anyway. It's not a silver bullet but might move the needle at least.

    Require unvaccinated employees to get tested each week at their own expense and wear N95 masks
    In all cases it requires that employers are willing to keep records of those employees who are willing to provide proof of vaccination and segregate out those who are not for more restrictive measures.

    My company has strict rules for unvaccinated employees but the company just accepts people's word for it if they are vaccinated or not. I've told the higher up that until the rules state that to get the privileges for being vaccinated, people need to show the proof that they are vaccinated. Until then they won't ever see me at the office. My opinion may not matter much because I only set foot in the office about 3 times a year before the pandemic, I know that there are people who would go to the office if they could be certain that those who say that they are vaccinated actually are vaccinated.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/tech/...ice/index.html
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/succe...ees/index.html
    We have no companies locally, to my knowledge, that are requiring vaccines or even setting any rules for unvaccinated employees. The only exceptions to that are the local hospitals, which are requiring employees to get vaccinated for the most part, and fast food places who do require their employees to wear masks while working.

    I don't know of a single store or public place within 50 miles or so who even request masking or social distancing by those entering their doors. That includes those fast food places. So even though the employees are masked, you are still at risk from other customers.

    Ruth
    OSHA needs to get involved but they probably need to have the vaccines graduate from emergency use status.

    Like why is that taking so long. Get them in the same status that all kinds of other vaccines are in. I don't understand the wait.

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    NPR had a person on and he noted the critical part now the process is storage considerations as part of approval.

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    The CDC is now recommending that even the vaccinated should start wearing masks again indoors. The delta strain is that pernicious.

    Frankly, I'm seeing more and more of the vaccinated are getting pissed off at the unvaccinated. For good reason, I'd say.
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    COVID-19 linked to 'substantial' drop in intelligence, new research finds

    People who had been hospitalised and put on a ventilator saw the biggest deficit in the Great British Intelligence Test - equivalent to a seven-point drop in IQ.

    People who have recovered from COVID-19 are more likely to score lower on intelligence tests, new research has found.

    Scientists tested 81,337 people between January and December last year as part of the Great British Intelligence Test, including almost 13,000 who had been infected with the virus.

    Those who had been on ventilators saw the biggest deficit - equivalent to a seven-point drop.

    After controlling for factors including age, sex, first language and education level, researchers found those who had contracted COVID saw the greatest underperformance on tasks requiring reasoning, planning and problem-solving compared to those who had not had the virus.

    The study said: "These results accord with reports of long-COVID, where 'brain fog', trouble concentrating and difficulty finding the correct words are common."

    The observed deficit in performance was "not insubstantial", with the drop seen in people placed on a ventilator larger than in those who had previously suffered a stroke.
    C'mon, anti-vaxxers. You have so little intelligence left to lose already.
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