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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
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    Even if the hospitals get overwhelmed mortality will be low. A lot of people will show up with difficulty breathing but who are not in a life threatening situation. It's more annoying than dangerous. That's what can overwhelm the hospitals.

    They give them valium and sometimes oxygen
    9.7 deaths a day in the UK is vastly lower than a few months ago; But it's still horrific.

    Humans have a very worrying ability to get used to things that really shouldn't be considered acceptable.
    Yeah, "horrific"

    https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    How about some perspective here?

    If you have a problem with 10 dying a day from Covid-19, just wait until you learn how dangerous it is to cross the road. The current UK deaths from Covid-19 is comparable to the amount of UK deaths who die a normal year from flying.

    Humans have a very worrying lack of ability to calculate risk. Anything dangerous that's invisible to the naked eye that sneaks up on you sends humans into hysterics, GMO's, artificial, food additives, nuclear radiation, communism, the devil etc. Covid-19 is a prime candidate for turning humanity retarded for the same reason.

    Just for the record. While I think Covid-19 avoidance neurotics are annoying, I hate anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. I think both are a scurge on humanity. The Covid neurotics are the lesser or two evils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
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    Even if the hospitals get overwhelmed mortality will be low. A lot of people will show up with difficulty breathing but who are not in a life threatening situation. It's more annoying than dangerous. That's what can overwhelm the hospitals.

    They give them valium and sometimes oxygen
    9.7 deaths a day in the UK is vastly lower than a few months ago; But it's still horrific.

    Humans have a very worrying ability to get used to things that really shouldn't be considered acceptable.
    Yeah, "horrific"

    https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    How about some perspective here?

    If you have a problem with 10 dying a day from Covid-19, just wait until you learn how dangerous it is to cross the road. The current UK deaths from Covid-19 is comparable to the amount of UK deaths who die a normal year from flying.

    Humans have a very worrying lack of ability to calculate risk. Anything dangerous that's invisible to the naked eye that sneaks up on you sends humans into hysterics, GMO's, artificial, food additives, nuclear radiation, communism, the devil etc. Covid-19 is a prime candidate for turning humanity retarded for the same reason.

    Just for the record. While I think Covid-19 avoidance neurotics are annoying, I hate anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. I think both are a scurge on humanity. The Covid neurotics are the lesser or two evils.
    That argument might fly if Covid were inevitable or unavoidable; Or if the cost of eliminating it were higher than the cost of tolerating it, or of keeping it at tolerable levels.

    But the reality is that the harm to economic activity and the psychological harm to people in lockdown has been FAR greater in countries that DIDN'T make a decent effort to prevent Covid than in those (like Australia and New Zealand) that did.

    The choice isn't two years of lockdown or Covid; it's two years of lockdown AND Covid, or two months of serious no-fucking-about lockdown and NO Covid.

    99% of all Covid deaths are due to half arsed measures that seem to be intended to negotiate with the virus and meet it half way.

    Fucking insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post

    Yeah, "horrific"

    https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    How about some perspective here?

    If you have a problem with 10 dying a day from Covid-19, just wait until you learn how dangerous it is to cross the road. The current UK deaths from Covid-19 is comparable to the amount of UK deaths who die a normal year from flying.

    Humans have a very worrying lack of ability to calculate risk. Anything dangerous that's invisible to the naked eye that sneaks up on you sends humans into hysterics, GMO's, artificial, food additives, nuclear radiation, communism, the devil etc. Covid-19 is a prime candidate for turning humanity retarded for the same reason.

    Just for the record. While I think Covid-19 avoidance neurotics are annoying, I hate anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. I think both are a scurge on humanity. The Covid neurotics are the lesser or two evils.
    That argument might fly if Covid were inevitable or unavoidable; Or if the cost of eliminating it were higher than the cost of tolerating it, or of keeping it at tolerable levels.
    As you acknowledge, lockdown has a cost. We're social animals. We don't handle long term isolation well. The pay off has to be high to tolerate lockdown.

    How many deaths are acceptable? Whatever the number I think it's quite a bit above 10 per day for the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    But the reality is that the harm to economic activity and the psychological harm to people in lockdown has been FAR greater in countries that DIDN'T make a decent effort to prevent Covid than in those (like Australia and New Zealand) that did.

    The choice isn't two years of lockdown or Covid; it's two years of lockdown AND Covid, or two months of serious no-fucking-about lockdown and NO Covid.

    99% of all Covid deaths are due to half arsed measures that seem to be intended to negotiate with the virus and meet it half way.

    Fucking insanity.
    It's a false dichotomy. Lockdown was a good idea, earlier. The UK locked down too late and paid the price for it. But now it's not worth it IMHO. The UK can't make up for earlier slow response to Covid by prolonging lockdown beyond the time it serves a meaningful purpose. That's just making the damage of the earlier slow response worse.

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    Cuomo declares pandemic over and opens up New York;

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has lifted all remaining COVID restrictions and declared the pandemic over in New York after vaccinations reached 70 percent on Tuesday.
    DailyMail

    About time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post

    As you acknowledge, lockdown has a cost. We're social animals. We don't handle long term isolation well. The pay off has to be high to tolerate lockdown.

    How many deaths are acceptable? Whatever the number I think it's quite a bit above 10 per day for the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    But the reality is that the harm to economic activity and the psychological harm to people in lockdown has been FAR greater in countries that DIDN'T make a decent effort to prevent Covid than in those (like Australia and New Zealand) that did.

    The choice isn't two years of lockdown or Covid; it's two years of lockdown AND Covid, or two months of serious no-fucking-about lockdown and NO Covid.

    99% of all Covid deaths are due to half arsed measures that seem to be intended to negotiate with the virus and meet it half way.

    Fucking insanity.
    It's a false dichotomy. Lockdown was a good idea, earlier. The UK locked down too late and paid the price for it. But now it's not worth it IMHO. The UK can't make up for earlier slow response to Covid by prolonging lockdown beyond the time it serves a meaningful purpose. That's just making the damage of the earlier slow response worse.
    The damage from lag - not starting soon enough - isn't recoverable, but it's not particularly large.

    The real damage is from insufficient scope - not locking down hard enough - and that's easily fixed by a short hard lockdown.

    The virus cannot move on its own. People need to carry it. So you can eliminate it (at ANY stage) with a really harsh lockdown, strictly enforced, for a couple of months. You cannot fix it with a half arsed nearly lockdown, which just has the harmful impact of a real lockdown without the benefit of stopping the disease.

    The mistake made by the UK (and almost every other country) is having too many exceptions and allowances during their lockdowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post

    As you acknowledge, lockdown has a cost. We're social animals. We don't handle long term isolation well. The pay off has to be high to tolerate lockdown.

    How many deaths are acceptable? Whatever the number I think it's quite a bit above 10 per day for the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    But the reality is that the harm to economic activity and the psychological harm to people in lockdown has been FAR greater in countries that DIDN'T make a decent effort to prevent Covid than in those (like Australia and New Zealand) that did.

    The choice isn't two years of lockdown or Covid; it's two years of lockdown AND Covid, or two months of serious no-fucking-about lockdown and NO Covid.

    99% of all Covid deaths are due to half arsed measures that seem to be intended to negotiate with the virus and meet it half way.

    Fucking insanity.
    It's a false dichotomy. Lockdown was a good idea, earlier. The UK locked down too late and paid the price for it. But now it's not worth it IMHO. The UK can't make up for earlier slow response to Covid by prolonging lockdown beyond the time it serves a meaningful purpose. That's just making the damage of the earlier slow response worse.
    There was never a LOCKDOWN in the Western Hemisphere. The US? What, 75% of businesses seemed to be "essential". I remember having my wife and I slowly picking up extra stuff in the weeks leading up to the soft shutdown, because I thought we were headed to a full out lockdown, because viruses love Venn Diagrams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    You are saying that at this point there will no longer be any COVID deaths in UK?
    That’s remarkable.

    No more long haulers either?

    And all because 44% are vaccinated?

    Great news. I guess we’ll know by the end of the week if it’s bullshit.
    No, Covid right now is spiking in the UK. Because Brits have started to go to the pub and socialise like normal. But the at risks are all vaccinated. The risk of dying of Covid in the UK is now very low. I find it hard to justify a lockdown with limited gains.
    They dropped the restrictions here on June 1. Our rolling average for new cases in this county is as bad as any state in the US. (I suspect there are some counties that are worse but I didn't check other states at the county level.) That does not make the risks of dying very low.

    And we still don't have a good picture on the damage it causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    That argument might fly if Covid were inevitable or unavoidable; Or if the cost of eliminating it were higher than the cost of tolerating it, or of keeping it at tolerable levels.

    But the reality is that the harm to economic activity and the psychological harm to people in lockdown has been FAR greater in countries that DIDN'T make a decent effort to prevent Covid than in those (like Australia and New Zealand) that did.

    The choice isn't two years of lockdown or Covid; it's two years of lockdown AND Covid, or two months of serious no-fucking-about lockdown and NO Covid.

    99% of all Covid deaths are due to half arsed measures that seem to be intended to negotiate with the virus and meet it half way.

    Fucking insanity.
    This. The only thing half-assed lockdown did is kept from crashing the healthcare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Cuomo declares pandemic over and opens up New York;

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has lifted all remaining COVID restrictions and declared the pandemic over in New York after vaccinations reached 70 percent on Tuesday.
    DailyMail

    About time.
    70% won't do it against the Delta variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Cuomo declares pandemic over and opens up New York;

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has lifted all remaining COVID restrictions and declared the pandemic over in New York after vaccinations reached 70 percent on Tuesday.
    DailyMail

    About time.
    70% won't do it against the Delta variant.
    If it were only 2-dosers comprising the 70% and the vaccinations were all Pfizer, they might be close. But it's 70% of adults have at least 1 dose. I don't see why they didn't wait 3 weeks for them to be at 2 doses. 1 dose is 30% effective and that seems like too much spread..

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