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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    If it's only 80% effective against the Delta variant it's not going to do it even at a 100% vaccination rate.
    What?

    80% effective means you have an 80% chance of not getting an infection if you are exposed.

    Of the small percentage of people who are exposed only 20% will have a chance of being infected.

    If 10% of people vaccinated are exposed that means that only 2% of the people vaccinated have a chance to develop an infection.

    Less than that will actually develop an infection due to natural immunity in some people.
    Herd immunity requires 100 * (1- 1/R0)% immune.

    A minimum value of the R0 of Delta is 5. 100 * (1 - 1/5) = 80%, just barely enough if everyone is vaccinated. They're not.
    Where do you get the minimum value of R0 for the Delta variant?

    And that 5 is only for non-immunized people.

    It is less for immunized people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
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    It seems to be different here in Northern California....people apparently have not got the memo. I went into Home Depot and Lowe's on Tuesday and Wednesday expecting to see maskless people high-fiving each other, but every single employee and customer had a mask on still, like nothing had changed. I saw two masked women taking their kids (also masked) for a walk OUTSIDE on a quiet surburban street. Went to El Pollo Loco yesterday evening and everyone was still wearing masks, though a maskless couple did come in later. I don't know what the fuck is going on. Severe TDS still?
    Like nothing has changed. Well, we aren’t at herd immunity levels yet. So that hasn’t changed. Children aren’t vaccinated, so that hasn’t changed.

    Sure those that are vaccinated don’t need to wear masks, at least until the mutation that kills vaccination benefits, but some feel they need to wear one if their children wear one or if the people working at the stores wear one. I’m sorry that offends you. It must feel terrible.
    I appreciate your helpful input and concern for my being offended and my feelings of terribleness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    It seems to be different here in Northern California....people apparently have not got the memo. I went into Home Depot and Lowe's on Tuesday and Wednesday expecting to see maskless people high-fiving each other, but every single employee and customer had a mask on still, like nothing had changed. I saw two masked women taking their kids (also masked) for a walk OUTSIDE on a quiet surburban street. Went to El Pollo Loco yesterday evening and everyone was still wearing masks, though a maskless couple did come in later.
    I was at Costco yesterday evening. There was a sign on the door saying if you are vaccinated no mask required. So I went in maskless. The majority of people were wearing masks but there were still plenty maskless people but no high fives. A few Costco employees were not wearing their masks properly, i.e. they had them dangling from their ear. All the checkout staff appeared to be wearing masks. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are vaccinated people still wearing masks or were the masked people just not vaccinated ? My wife was with me and she wore her mask even although she is fully vaccinated.


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    I don't know what the fuck is going on. Severe TDS still?
    I would hope not. It's either stupidity, ignorance or irrational fear. Yesterday morning I saw a girl riding a moped down La Brea wearing a mask.

    Our office building put out a notice pretty much saying it's up to the individual whether they wear masks or not. I think Newsom signed an executive order about the masks but I didn't catch what it was about.

    Angels had their first game at Angel Stadium with no restrictions last night. Crowd was reported as 40k+. On a Thursday night against Detroit, that's impressive. Most people in the crowd not wearing masks. Most of the teams were not wearing masks either. Angels won, Taylor Ward got his first career grand slam !
    Here's "the memo" on the June 15 reopening of California from the insufferable prick:

    https://covid19.ca.gov/safely-reopening/

    Regarding masks, specifically:

    Masks
    California’s Department of Public Health has updated statewide masking guidance to match the CDC’s guidance, lifting California’s mask requirements for vaccinated individuals starting on June 15. Vaccinated people are able to come together without masks in most circumstances.

    People who are unvaccinated must continue to wear a mask indoors in public settings to protect themselves and others. Also, there are some settings where masking is still required for everyone, such as:

    Public transit
    Hospitals
    Long-term care facilities
    Homeless shelters
    Indoors in K-12 schools, childcare, and other youth settings
    See CDPH’s Guidance for the Use of Face Coverings to learn where masks are recommended or may be required.

    We have a pretty high vaccination rate in my area, so it is a bit of a mystery why pretty much 100% of people I saw in the stores were wearing masks. People still driving around by themselves in their car wearing masks as well.

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    Businesses want to appeal to consumers. If they have a policy to remove masks, then that creates a problem for some customers since customers do not know the vaccination statuses of the employees. If they have a policy to wear masks, then that does not cause customers to leave. It is also more responsible to stop the spread. Therefore, it is a more sound business decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post

    I was at Costco yesterday evening. There was a sign on the door saying if you are vaccinated no mask required. So I went in maskless. The majority of people were wearing masks but there were still plenty maskless people but no high fives. A few Costco employees were not wearing their masks properly, i.e. they had them dangling from their ear. All the checkout staff appeared to be wearing masks. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are vaccinated people still wearing masks or were the masked people just not vaccinated ? My wife was with me and she wore her mask even although she is fully vaccinated.




    I would hope not. It's either stupidity, ignorance or irrational fear. Yesterday morning I saw a girl riding a moped down La Brea wearing a mask.

    Our office building put out a notice pretty much saying it's up to the individual whether they wear masks or not. I think Newsom signed an executive order about the masks but I didn't catch what it was about.

    Angels had their first game at Angel Stadium with no restrictions last night. Crowd was reported as 40k+. On a Thursday night against Detroit, that's impressive. Most people in the crowd not wearing masks. Most of the teams were not wearing masks either. Angels won, Taylor Ward got his first career grand slam !
    Here's "the memo" on the June 15 reopening of California from the insufferable prick:

    https://covid19.ca.gov/safely-reopening/

    Regarding masks, specifically:

    Masks
    California’s Department of Public Health has updated statewide masking guidance to match the CDC’s guidance, lifting California’s mask requirements for vaccinated individuals starting on June 15. Vaccinated people are able to come together without masks in most circumstances.

    People who are unvaccinated must continue to wear a mask indoors in public settings to protect themselves and others. Also, there are some settings where masking is still required for everyone, such as:

    Public transit
    Hospitals
    Long-term care facilities
    Homeless shelters
    Indoors in K-12 schools, childcare, and other youth settings
    See CDPH’s Guidance for the Use of Face Coverings to learn where masks are recommended or may be required.

    We have a pretty high vaccination rate in my area, so it is a bit of a mystery why pretty much 100% of people I saw in the stores were wearing masks. People still driving around by themselves in their car wearing masks as well.
    I really can't understand why so many people get so upset about wearing a mask? I understand getting mad about paying taxes or getting a permit to build a gazebo. What is the great cost in wearing a mask? I don't get it. Half the time I forget that I have one one (that could explain some people driving in a car with one on).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post

    I was at Costco yesterday evening. There was a sign on the door saying if you are vaccinated no mask required. So I went in maskless. The majority of people were wearing masks but there were still plenty maskless people but no high fives. A few Costco employees were not wearing their masks properly, i.e. they had them dangling from their ear. All the checkout staff appeared to be wearing masks. I'm not sure what to make of that. Are vaccinated people still wearing masks or were the masked people just not vaccinated ? My wife was with me and she wore her mask even although she is fully vaccinated.




    I would hope not. It's either stupidity, ignorance or irrational fear. Yesterday morning I saw a girl riding a moped down La Brea wearing a mask.

    Our office building put out a notice pretty much saying it's up to the individual whether they wear masks or not. I think Newsom signed an executive order about the masks but I didn't catch what it was about.

    Angels had their first game at Angel Stadium with no restrictions last night. Crowd was reported as 40k+. On a Thursday night against Detroit, that's impressive. Most people in the crowd not wearing masks. Most of the teams were not wearing masks either. Angels won, Taylor Ward got his first career grand slam !
    Here's "the memo" on the June 15 reopening of California from the insufferable prick:

    https://covid19.ca.gov/safely-reopening/

    Regarding masks, specifically:

    Masks
    California’s Department of Public Health has updated statewide masking guidance to match the CDC’s guidance, lifting California’s mask requirements for vaccinated individuals starting on June 15. Vaccinated people are able to come together without masks in most circumstances.

    People who are unvaccinated must continue to wear a mask indoors in public settings to protect themselves and others. Also, there are some settings where masking is still required for everyone, such as:

    Public transit
    Hospitals
    Long-term care facilities
    Homeless shelters
    Indoors in K-12 schools, childcare, and other youth settings
    See CDPH’s Guidance for the Use of Face Coverings to learn where masks are recommended or may be required.

    We have a pretty high vaccination rate in my area, so it is a bit of a mystery why pretty much 100% of people I saw in the stores were wearing masks. People still driving around by themselves in their car wearing masks as well.
    I really can't understand why so many people get so upset about wearing a mask? I understand getting mad about paying taxes or getting a permit to build a gazebo. What is the great cost in wearing a mask? I don't get it. Half the time I forget that I have one one (that could explain some people driving in a car with one on).
    I'm not upset, just trying to figure out the contradiction between what our state government is telling us, and the subsequent reaction I'm seeing. We are told by our government that covid decisions are based on science, so assuming this latest decision is science based, why are people ignoring the science? I agreed about the need to wear a mask during the deadly days of the pandemic, and I did so without complaint (well, mostly anyway ). But at some point, when things have slowed to a (more or less) trickle don't we ditch the masks (even if there is still a tiny bit of risk to some people)? That dividing line between mask and no mask is obviously a bit subjective, but are we going to wait until there is only death per day in the whole state?

    There are some annoyances about wearing a mask. One of my big ones is parking in a store parking lot, walking to the entrance (sometimes a long way), then forgetting that I didn't put on the mask or forgot to bring it. So, I got to make the long trudge back to my truck to get my mask. That has probably happened to me a few dozen times, though less often these last few months as it gets ingrained in my head. The other thing for me personally is that I'm 60 years old now, and I have a job where I'm on my feet all day long, doing physically demanding work at times. It gets hard to breathe sometimes (especially when its 100 deg outside) and it fogs up your reading glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post

    I really can't understand why so many people get so upset about wearing a mask? I understand getting mad about paying taxes or getting a permit to build a gazebo. What is the great cost in wearing a mask? I don't get it. Half the time I forget that I have one one (that could explain some people driving in a car with one on).
    I'm not upset, just trying to figure out the contradiction between what our state government is telling us, and the subsequent reaction I'm seeing. We are told by our government that covid decisions are based on science, so assuming this latest decision is science based, why are people ignoring the science? I agreed about the need to wear a mask during the deadly days of the pandemic, and I did so without complaint (well, mostly anyway ). But at some point, when things have slowed to a (more or less) trickle don't we ditch the masks (even if there is still a tiny bit of risk to some people)? That dividing line between mask and no mask is obviously a bit subjective, but are we going to wait until there is only death per day in the whole state?

    There are some annoyances about wearing a mask. One of my big ones is parking in a store parking lot, walking to the entrance (sometimes a long way), then forgetting that I didn't put on the mask or forgot to bring it. So, I got to make the long trudge back to my truck to get my mask. That has probably happened to me a few dozen times, though less often these last few months as it gets ingrained in my head. The other thing for me personally is that I'm 60 years old now, and I have a job where I'm on my feet all day long, doing physically demanding work at times. It gets hard to breathe sometimes (especially when its 100 deg outside) and it fogs up your reading glasses.
    Well yea, wearing the mask isn't ideal. I definitely am not going to wear it out while working out. So I work out at home! I just feel that wearing a mask in general is such a small inconvenience for the price of opening up our economy again. That's the issue. If we don't get a handle on covid, our economy will be toast. I am now very confident in the direction where we are going. However, I can tell you that I personally know three people (one who is a close friend) who lie when asked if they've been vaccinated, and who refuse to wear a mask. These are the people who should be condemned because they threaten us achieving herd immunity. But yea, I get what you're saying. I'm very glad that I don't live in an area which regularly experiences 100 deg heat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    We have a pretty high vaccination rate in my area, so it is a bit of a mystery why pretty much 100% of people I saw in the stores were wearing masks.
    I've no idea what he vaccination rate in my area is. There's one guy in our office who won't get vaccinated and he was out sick this week. He did take a covid test on Thursday and was negative.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    People still driving around by themselves in their car wearing masks as well.
    Maybe Uber drivers and they have to, forgot to take it off after coming out a store ? I see the occasional lone driver with a mask on, but not many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    There are some annoyances about wearing a mask. One of my big ones is parking in a store parking lot, walking to the entrance (sometimes a long way), then forgetting that I didn't put on the mask or forgot to bring it. So, I got to make the long trudge back to my truck to get my mask. That has probably happened to me a few dozen times, though less often these last few months as it gets ingrained in my head.
    A bit earlier in the pandemic I'd go to the grocery store and I'd park away from other vehicles in an area where there were not other cars, like at least 3 spaces away from cars in all other directions. Then, when I got out, I'd put the mask on, walk to the store, shop, walk back to the car...and when I got back to the car, invariably there'd be someone parked right next to my driver's side...usually more than one car parked directly next to me. There'd be someone unknown to me who had just gotten out of their car with their driver's side next to mine....because I do "pull throughs" to avoid risk of accident when backing up while the other person didn't do a pull through and just parked next to me. They also had gotten out of their car and were breathing all in the space where I would breathe getting in my car and they parked so close it's not like I can get in my car in 1 second, but more like 5. Needless to say, my wearing a mask reduced transmission of the virus to me, even if outside, but it wasn't just near my car door, it was also near the entrance and exits of the grocery store where constant all-day-long people would be breathing there with no mask and then putting the mask on right at the entrance or taking it off right at the exit. The added benefit was that I didn't have to worry about remembering the mask later on because I was already wearing it.

    My wife, on the other hand, has a 5 minute drive to work. She would put a mask on upon leaving the house so that she had a routine where she would always remember to be wearing a mask. Initially she was not putting it on until at work but she forgot masks a couple of times and so she did this routine instead because she could identify if she had forgotten a mask right where the masks were. Trying to put it on was her signal to ensure she had it.

    Now the other day, guess what happened. After a year and a half, I decided to go get a haircut for the 2nd time. There was another time in there where I cut it myself. So this was my 3rd haircut. I generally leave my mask on my kitchen table. It's a new cloth one that I bought at a clothing store. Anyway, I grabbed the mask off the kitchen table. Then, I drove to get a haircut. Upon getting out of the car, I did not wear the mask. I have been vaccinated fully and am loosening up my restrictions to myself. I stopped to read the sign to see Supercut's policies and found they require mask wearing. So I put the mask on at the door. Then, I went inside and began talking about the haircut. It was at that moment, that I noticed a distinct odor. From the mask. Cat piss. Yes, apparently, my cat chose to prank me by sneaking up on the kitchen table and urinating on my mask when no one was around to see. I wasn't sure what to do at that point and was considering staying there suffering through it until I had an idea and politely excused myself for a moment. We keep disposable masks in the car but my son has been driving the car almost exclusively--long story. So there were two masks in there, one it looked like he had worn and the other was in the middle console. So I put that one on and it smelled like tobacco and menthol. My son has been doing dip and I think he must have stored the dip next to the mask at some point. That's the best case scenario. So I had to suck it up and go with the best of two bad choices, to wear the mask so I could get a haircut or drive back, come back with a proper mask and do so, which I didn't want to do. Now I have a routine where I hang up the masks on the kitchen cabinet knobs up high where the cat will not urinate on them and I also smell masks before bringing them with me.

    Long story short--people have different views of risk because of personal things going on but also some idiosyncratic routines they implement to help them remember things or decrease risk of inefficiency.

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    We are told by our government that covid decisions are based on science, so assuming this latest decision is science based, why are people ignoring the science?
    Here's the problem I see.
    The biological sciences, like epidemiological and biological studies, are far from complete. We just don't have the answers to some important questions, and won't without more time to study and analyze.

    What's important now are the soft sciences. The psychological effects of authoritative pronouncements and efforts to squelch the threat.

    In the USA, the medical authorities are up against partisan politics. Medical authorities keep updating as more and better data comes in. Politicians like Trump keep making contradicting assertions. And Trumpish bullshit keeps getting repeated by the media who depend on selling advertising to Trump's supporters.

    That's the big problem.
    Tom

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