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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
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    The story is that you see people driving alone in their cars while wearing masks.....who are they going to catch Covid from, themselves? Who are they going to pass it on to?
    My boss has lost five masks taking them off and...no idea what happens. Probably fell out of the car when he got out, so someone thinks he's just littering.
    He now wears them the entire time he's out-of-house. 'To get used to it,' he says, but it's really 'not to lose it because i can't shit one when necessary.'
    Just hope he doesn't run his business so absent mindedly.....

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    I thought people wearing them in their cars were crazy until yesterday. I found two who were transporting persons to/from the hospital...not sure if an uber driver or driver for some group of people. Anyway if you have a risky person in the car I don't think you want to stop wearing the mask in the car for some hours, even when alone.

    One situation I saw was weirder to think about. Someone arrived at the hospital to pick someone up. They had their name in some kind of tablet. When they arrived to pick up the person they had a mask on in their vehicle. This makes the vehicle low risk and usable for transporting persons.

    Obviously, not everyone you see wearing a mask alone in a car is an uber driver, but some are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.
    Or the person in the park has Leukemia or is a nurse or doctor and takes extra precautions. Simply put, you don't know their story, so presumption needs to drive off a cliff.
    The story is that you see people driving alone in their cars while wearing masks.....who are they going to catch Covid from, themselves? Who are they going to pass it on to?
    Are they going to a place after another and close by?

    I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
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    Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.
    I don't agree about being alone in a public space. If someone coughs a cluster can stay there for 3 hours up to 27 feet away from the spot. So, when you get out of your car in a parking lot, you should already have it on. And take it off after you get back in your car. In a park....if other people were there or will be there, you should wear it.
    Huh? I do wear them if anyone is around but how does a cluster sit there for 3 hours 27 feet away???

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.
    This isn't evidence that it's out of hand.

    Walk in the park--while I haven't been in a park since this started I do hike. If I'm heading up and truly alone my mask is pulled down. However, heading down it's not that big a deal, I don't always bother to remove it between encounters. I hike with poles which have to be put down to deal with my mask, it's just not worth bothering with.

    Driving on their own--I've been guilty of this many times. If I'm making more than one stop reasonably closely spaced I'm not going to bother to remove my mask between stops. For short trips (and other than hiking most every trip is short) I probably put it on heading out the door and take it off when I get home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.
    This isn't evidence that it's out of hand.
    I was being flippant. Not intended to be taken absolutely literally. Wearing a face mask while driving on your own serves no purpose.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post

    Are they going to a place after another and close by?

    I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.
    It doesn't matter where they are going or how far, it serves no purpose. It only takes a quick, simply action to pull the mask down for the sake of comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
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    Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.
    I don't agree about being alone in a public space. If someone coughs a cluster can stay there for 3 hours up to 27 feet away from the spot. So, when you get out of your car in a parking lot, you should already have it on. And take it off after you get back in your car. In a park....if other people were there or will be there, you should wear it.
    Huh? I do wear them if anyone is around but how does a cluster sit there for 3 hours 27 feet away???
    27 feet is the worst case distance for a sneeze. Here is an article on related study:
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/74928356.cms

    However, inside there is ventilation. Outside, there is wind. So, a mere cough outside with additional environmental factors can also go far.

    A cough or sneeze is like a mini-cloud of vapor and little things small enough to bounce around on other little things. The virus may bounce around a short time or a long time. Before the coronavirus was even pandemic this was common knowledge in regard to flu and common cold. Here's an example about flu:
    https://www.flu65plus.com/stories/ca...ad-through-air

    It isn't expected to be that different. The virus isn't going to hit the ground in a second or two. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 3 hours...if I want to be risk averse, I would assume 3 hours.

    Imagine, for example, Person A is jogging in the park with no mask, they cough to their right side. A brief gust of wind was present rightward to the person. Note the wind isn't even necessary...

    Now, imagine 5 minutes later, person B is strolling in the park. They don't see anyone so they don't wear a mask. They walk a path parallel to the previous jogger, Person A...but they are 7 feet away to the right....perhaps on the opposite side of a wide public path.

    Do you think Person B has 0.0% of walking through a cloud of cough? I'm going to claim it's more like 10%. I can't "prove" it but consider a cloud isn't an inch but more like a foot, two, or three....and if the center were randomly between 1 foot and 27 feet to the right of Person A, there's some approx 10% of this range where Person B's body comes into contact with the cloud.

    Of course, there may be other environmental factors that destroy the clouds like heat, UV, strong winds, but in experiments sneezes can go 27 feet and virus can be in the air a long time. So, at a minimum, the 6 foot social distancing thing isn't 100% sure thing. It's a personal choice on how risk averse beyond that that people want to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post

    I was being flippant. Not intended to be taken absolutely literally. Wearing a face mask while driving on your own serves no purpose.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post

    Are they going to a place after another and close by?

    I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.
    It doesn't matter where they are going or how far, it serves no purpose. It only takes a quick, simply action to pull the mask down for the sake of comfort.
    Are you judging them for finding the "quick, simply (sic!) action" more worrisome than taking the mask repeatedly on and off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokodo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post

    I was being flippant. Not intended to be taken absolutely literally. Wearing a face mask while driving on your own serves no purpose.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post

    Are they going to a place after another and close by?

    I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.
    It doesn't matter where they are going or how far, it serves no purpose. It only takes a quick, simply action to pull the mask down for the sake of comfort.
    Are you judging them for finding the "quick, simply (sic!) action" more worrisome than taking the mask repeatedly on and off?
    I'm saying that it serves no purpose to wear a mask while driving a vehicle on your own. There is no risk to oneself or to others. It's comical. The effort it takes to slip it off (or down to the chin) is minimal, a trivial effort for a net gain in comfort at no risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jokodo View Post

    Are you judging them for finding the "quick, simply (sic!) action" more worrisome than taking the mask repeatedly on and off?
    I'm saying that it serves no purpose to wear a mask while driving a vehicle on your own. There is no risk to oneself or to others. It's comical. The effort it takes to slip it off (or down to the chin) is minimal, a trivial effort for a net gain in comfort at no risk.
    That taking off the mask (and possibly disinfecting your hands to do so) when you have to put it it back on in a few minutes at your next stop is a "net gain in comfort" is your opinion, not an objective fact. Someone else may well consider it a net loss in comfort and time.

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