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    You are Louis XVI

    It is 1787 and you’ve been informed that you are effectively bankrupt. And there are bread shortages in Paris.

    Your move.

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    Isnt it too late by that stage?
    This is deer in the headlights stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Isnt it too late by that stage?
    This is deer in the headlights stuff.
    I don’t think so. You may be able shape things with strong leadership. But you are in dire straits admittedly.

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    But doesnt every strategy, (however well-intentioned,) simply look like self-preservation, which is probably only gonna make things worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLD View Post
    It is 1787 and you’ve been informed that you are effectively bankrupt. And there are bread shortages in Paris.

    Your move.
    I would get the fuck out of France as fast and quietly as possible.... (but then I have the advantage of knowing what happened because he didn't.)

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    Yeah, I'm in the "too late to be reversed" camp. I'd say, start looking around to find someone who can be convincingly blamed.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    No I'm not. You take that back right now, OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Yeah, I'm in the "too late to be reversed" camp. I'd say, start looking around to find someone who can be convincingly blamed.
    It’s too late to maintain complete autocratic rule. But the monarchy could have been saved albeit with far less power. But i think it was just too far to go for Louis. He’d been raised to believe that the only way he could rule was through sheer autocracy. He couldn’t imagine any other way. But if he had led the reforms and embraced them rather than fight them he might have have radically altered the course of the revolution. Calling the estates general was a ballsy move but he should have known it would unleash forces he couldn’t comprehend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Yeah, I'm in the "too late to be reversed" camp. I'd say, start looking around to find someone who can be convincingly blamed.
    It’s too late to maintain complete autocratic rule. But the monarchy could have been saved albeit with far less power. But i think it was just too far to go for Louis. He’d been raised to believe that the only way he could rule was through sheer autocracy. He couldn’t imagine any other way. But if he had led the reforms and embraced them rather than fight them he might have have radically altered the course of the revolution. Calling the estates general was a ballsy move but he should have known it would unleash forces he couldn’t comprehend.
    I doubt that the monarchy could have been saved with compromise. The mob was already worked up and angry mobs can not be reasoned with. But they can be misdirected by giving them a different emotional stimulant.

    But then the OP asked what we would do (I would have gotten the fuck out of France), not what Louis could have done to maintain his life and some semblance of power. He could have done what authoritarian rulers have historically done when national sentiment turns against them, start a war. Wars and 'national causes' seem to always unite the public to support the leadership. France had traditional enemies that could serve the purpose. War with either Britain or Germany would have worked.

    The Falklands war is a good recent example. In the early 1980s, the military dictator of Argentina had become damned unpopular and was close to being ousted so he invaded the Falklands. This created mass support from the public for both the war and the dictator with people marching in the streets chanting, "las Malvinas son Argentinas". If Argentina had won then he would have gone down in Argentina's history as a great leader but, since they lost, the mob remembered how much they hated him and ousted him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
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    Yeah, I'm in the "too late to be reversed" camp. I'd say, start looking around to find someone who can be convincingly blamed.
    It’s too late to maintain complete autocratic rule. But the monarchy could have been saved albeit with far less power. But i think it was just too far to go for Louis. He’d been raised to believe that the only way he could rule was through sheer autocracy. He couldn’t imagine any other way. But if he had led the reforms and embraced them rather than fight them he might have have radically altered the course of the revolution. Calling the estates general was a ballsy move but he should have known it would unleash forces he couldn’t comprehend.
    I doubt that the monarchy could have been saved. The mob was already worked up and angry mobs can not be reasoned with.

    But then the OP asked what we would do (I would have gotten the fuck out of France), not what Louis could have done to maintain his life and some semblance of power. He could have done what authoritarian rulers have historically done when national sentiment turns against them, start a war. Wars and 'national causes' seem to always unite the public to support the leadership. France had traditional enemies that could serve the purpose. War with either Britain or Germany would have worked.

    The Falklands war is a good recent example. In the early 1980s, the military dictator of Argentina had become damned unpopular and was close to being ousted so he invaded the Falklands. This created mass support from the public for both the war and the dictator with people marching in the streets chanting, "las Malvinas son Argentinas". If Argentina had won then he would have gone down in Argentina's history as a great leader but, since they lost, the mob remembered how much they hated him and ousted him.
    And Thatcher, of course, used it the same way. Politicians love wars, they're never called upon to die in them.
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