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    What are the dominant beliefs that shape human behaviour? Wealth/power, property, social standing, family, friends, various interests (including religion)...not necessarily in that order?
    What sort of speculative silliness is that? Humans don't all have the same motives from day to day, let alone guiding directives as a species.
    Is that so? There is no sex drive? The desire for family, to have children? People don't invest in property for the long term? Invest or trade in the stock market? Wars are not fought over land and resources? We are as random as flies flitting about our daily lives without purpose?
    I am questioning your essentialism, not your cases. Human behavior is contextual and situational by its nature, and couched in unique symbolic categories depending on upbringing and experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
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    Is that so? There is no sex drive? The desire for family, to have children? People don't invest in property for the long term? Invest or trade in the stock market? Wars are not fought over land and resources? We are as random as flies flitting about our daily lives without purpose?
    I am questioning your essentialism, not your cases. Human behavior is contextual and situational by its nature, and couched in unique symbolic categories depending on upbringing and experience.
    No doubt that environment, upbringing, culture, etc, plays a large part in shaping our behaviour. However we do have inherent and essential needs and wants, the need for food, shelter, clothing, companionship, purpose, etc, which results in related flow of decisions and actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
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    Egads!!! The role of religion overblown?

    Listen to our politicians profess faith and how god guides them. The ongoing global religious conflicts.

    This forum.
    Can an argument be made that government itself is a religious exercise?
    Again as I see it is all the same human dynamics. Govt, religion, unions and all the rest. Good po0liticians understand that as well as con artists and comedians.

    Hitler may have been the greatest politician of all time, albeit evil. Hs image and clothes were selected for effect. He was expert at pushing deep German cultural buttons. Fortunately he was a lousy military leader.

    Hitler and Stalin and Trump as well were personality cults. Jesus is a personality cult, people weep over the image. North Korea. The Pope.

    All the same dynamics. Christianity created the ultimate wrestling match. Satan vs Jesus and god. Atheists are minions of Satan of course. Christian radio and TV act as sports announcers keeping score on the game.

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    I think it's fair to say that communism, or any political/philosophical viewpoint, can be held religiously; as an unquestioned and absolute faith whose tenets are believed absolutely.

    But I don't think communism is necessarily clung to in such a dogmatic way, by all who think it's a workable way to govern human beings. So, I would answer the title question "no".

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    Communism, using the atheist's famous words.

    "God not a requirement!", or "God not neccessary!"

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    Edward O. Wilson, a noted American biologist recognized as the world’s leading authority on ants, when asked about communism: “Good ideology, wrong species.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Edward O. Wilson, a noted American biologist recognized as the world’s leading authority on ants, when asked about communism: “Good ideology, wrong species.”
    Is Wilson saying the ideology is too simple for so complex an organism as humans? If that's the case, then so is any given religion it would seem to me, which is why we have invented so many variations. Fundamentally communism and religion don't seem very different.

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    E.O. Wilson was a fine biologist, but I've never understood why skeptics put so much weight on the social opinions of entymologists and so forth. That sort of thinking gave us Social Darwinism, race theory, eugenics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
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    Edward O. Wilson, a noted American biologist recognized as the world’s leading authority on ants, when asked about communism: “Good ideology, wrong species.”
    Is Wilson saying the ideology is too simple for so complex an organism as humans?
    As I understand it, it wasn't about complexity but about the effect of genetics on the animal's psychology. Worker ants are sterile; their genetic interest is in the survival of the queen. Humans make their own babies; our genetic interest is in the survival of our own children. So ant genes evolved to build brains that are naturally predisposed to the sort of self-sacrifice communism would depend on to work; human genes didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    Communism, using the atheist's famous words.

    "God not a requirement!", or "God not neccessary!"
    I agree. The most famous was 'religion is the opium of the masses'. You have to look at the times. Religion was a tool of state and the Vatican was a political power. Religion was used to keep the ignorant in check. In Russia if you were of nobility you could kill a peasant and pay the church for an indulgence.

    Religion and in particular the Abrahamic has always been oppressively and violent, justified by interpretation of scripture.

    Israeli conservatives justify taking Palestinian land by saying it was granted to them by god. Netanyahu has been explicit on camera. US conservatives think the USA is ordained by god. Individual Christians believe they are ordained to convert the world.

    Etc, etc, etc...

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