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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC
    This is rather why I'm so leery of nuclear power.

    As long as everything is good, it's clean.

    Except for the waste disposal issues.

    But then there's human nature. From all out war to creeping complacency, nuclear power plants have the capacity to produce huge human disasters.
    And yet, if you take a look at the track record, nuclear energy is still safer and cleaner solar, for example. And a lot more than gas. And far, far more than coal.



    Quote Originally Posted by TomC
    Imagine a war, just a conventional modern war, with nuclear plants as prime targets.
    There is no realistic scenario in which any country or group of countries can launch a conventional war against America and hit Texas's power stations, nuclear or otherwise.

    But if you're talking about other places look at the rest of the world, what has happened is refineries and generally the oil industry being targeted, causing serious environmental disasters. Would it be worse with nuclear? You'd have to consider it on a case by case basis, but so far, what we see historically is that nuclear remains much safer than fossil fuels, and also everything else (except wind, which is close), and also, take a look at bilby's points regarding safety.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomC
    Or a nuclear power plant in a third world country, like in Africa or South America, subject to the vicissitudes of political turmoil.
    We can do much better than imagine it: we can take a look at actual examples, and again we see no safety problems with the nuclear power stations in South America or Africa. The problem is, recently, anti-nuclear activism. But that is not a safety problem. It's a political/ideological problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
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    Duh! A company that doesn't pass on market rates to customers at present is going to be bleeding heavily.
    Not every municipality or customer may choose who they pay for electricity. Some people only have one option. Sometimes that option is the usur[i]ous one.

    I would hazard that for some in this situation, the choice was "accept usury or have no heat/light."
    Tough. The customer either explicitly clicked an 'I Agree' box, or implicitly agreed to the Corporation's stipulations. What would you have Commissar Biden do? Squeeze the corporation and its billionaire stockholders out of their Holy Profit? Why don't you just go back to North Korea, Yemen, Denmark or some other place that will uphold your communist ideals?

    Anyway, I read that Governor Abbott intends to propose New Laws, forbidding any recurrence of this calamity! AOC and Hillary are selling girl-scout cookies, while Republican Abbott steps up to the plate and hits a home run! With innovative bold leadership like that, the whines and whinges of Antifa, Green New Deal, NAACP and other America-haters will soon be forgotten.
    Actually, as more details come out I've come to change my mind on this--the government is the real culprit here. They told the utilities to raise the spot price to the ceiling in an effort to curb demand. The Griddy mess wouldn't be nearly as bad without that.

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    I still blame the wind mills!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    The record in Texas is that their free market approach was successfully and safely generating wind energy & gas energy, until suddenly it bigly wasn't.
    This is rather why I'm so leery of nuclear power.

    As long as everything is good, it's clean.
    Except for the waste disposal issues.
    Lets look a bit more at those "waste disposal issues".

    In the left corner we have a terawatt of coal power. In the right corner we have a terawatt of nuclear power. Both obviously produce waste.

    In the left corner we dig a hole to store a year's worth of the fly ash. The stuff is rather toxic, it needs to be sealed against water intrusion.

    In the right corner we dig a hole to store the waste. Again, we seal it to keep it out of the environment. To be fair we make the same hole as we did for the coal.

    A year goes by. The left hole fills up. The right hole, however--the spent fuel comes out of the reactor and goes to the reprocessor. Unused fuel (only about 10% has actually been used) goes back to the reactor. Commercially useful isotopes are extracted. That which is neither of these goes into the hole.

    Next year, we need to dig a new hole for the coal plant. The nuke plant's hole has plenty of space.

    .....

    10,000 years from now we have 10,000 holes for the coal plant. The nuke plant's hole has finally filled up.

    10,001 years--we dig yet another hole for the coal. On the nuke side, however, we simply take out the first batch as it is no hotter than natural background radiation. Maybe it's got something useful in it, if not it can go in the regular trash at this point--it's pretty much devoid of the heavy metals that are a problem with the fly ash.

    ......

    100,000 years from now we have 100,000 holes for the coal plant, the nuke plant continues to function with just it's original hole.

    Or lets look at the radiation the plants emit.

    Go to the fence of the coal plant, record the radiation release. Now go to the nuke plant and replay those readings--the alarms go off, they shut down the plant and look for what's broken and leaking hot stuff.

    (Or, consider the Palo Verde nuclear plant in Arizona. They had to apply for a waiver on the normal rules for how hot their waste water could be as it was inherently impossible for them to meet the standard. The problem is the reactor cooling water is cleaned-up sewer water and the water coming into the plant doesn't meet the standards for how hot it can be going out. The problem is patients undergoing various nuclear medicine procedures and pissing out the results. The doctors capture the really hot stuff (radioiodine treatment for thyroid cancer) but most of it just goes down the toilet. Both my wife and I have had Tc-99M imaging studies, absolutely zero efforts to contain the leftover radioactivity other than she got a card from the lab as we were doing an international flight the next day--and she was hot enough to set off two radiation alarms in Shanghai/PuDong.)

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    I like this about Ted Cruz, the Senator from Cancun:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I don’t care what Cruz said at CPAC, but I do care that it appears Texas was just a layover stop for him between Cancun and Orlando to drop a pack of water into someone’s trunk and abandon his constituents again as they get slammed with $16,000 electrical bills." / Twitter

    "Senator from Cancun"?

    There is a bit of Congressional courtesy, and that is referring to fellow members as a colleague or whatever from their state. This has obvious extensions, like Joe Biden as the Senator from Amtrak.

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