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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
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    Okay. I don't think men are *programmed* that way, any more than they are *programmed* to see women as second class citizens with no brain for leadership and no ability to make hard decisions. I certainly don't intend to provide cover, just citing the historical crap that has gone into that view.

    I also think there's a difference between depictions of women in media and fiction as being infantilized to the cusp-of-puberty stage and actually fantasizing about pubescent girls. I don't think the two are identical or synonymous. I was launching from my long post here.
    I do think that they are two different things, slightly, anyway and in terms of practicality, yes. But I think that a large part of the attraction is the mythological pure virginal girl. I don't think it is now or ever was all about ensuring that any offspring are genetically related to the man who 'owns' the woman. I think it is about control of a lot more than just that. On the female side, I think that there are plenty of women who are attracted to older men because older men are more stable in many ways, economically, socially, emotionally. Less likely perhaps to stray or want to stay all night with the boys (or whoever). Of course there is often a disparity in maturity between men and women, at least up to a certain age.
    Coming from decades of being in open relationships sluty women being shamed and virginity being upheld as a virtue isn't something that comes from men. Women do that to each other. Women have capacity of much more sex than men do. The moment men stop being selfish and jealous and "share" their women, there's more sex for everybody.

    When entering into the open/poly world men and women react along different lines.

    The men who are jealous and have problems with it have very serious issues. They have something seriously wrong in the head. It's nearly always something weird and random. Some deep seated insecurity. If it was natural, then we'd expect to see some clear pattern. But it's all nuts. A quite common hang up is feelings of inadequecy. Which is cute. But doesn't explain why they would have a problem with his woman sleeping with another man. He's not going to become more adequate if they're monogamous. It's supremely irrational, ie just nuts. But, like I said, men's problems with open relationships are most often just bizarre.

    Women are the ones who call each other sluts and shame other women for sleeping around. If they have a problem with open relationships it's usually because they're genuinely emotionally monogamous. They need to be in love with the men they sleep with and only have capacity to love one man at a time. I say usually. Because a lot of women of course are into open relationships. More women than men. And are cool with it. Men typically struggle more in open relationships than women.

    My take away from my experiences with this world is that shaming women for their sexuality is what women do to each other (perhaps something innate) and something men have to be taught to do.

    Men love slutty women. It makes no sense that a confident man in touch with his sexuality (and who isn't crazy) would have any problem with women sleeping around with whoever. A lot of men think they will. But once in the open relationship world and get over the initial shock, they're like fish in water.

    Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
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    Okay. I don't think men are *programmed* that way, any more than they are *programmed* to see women as second class citizens with no brain for leadership and no ability to make hard decisions. I certainly don't intend to provide cover, just citing the historical crap that has gone into that view.

    I also think there's a difference between depictions of women in media and fiction as being infantilized to the cusp-of-puberty stage and actually fantasizing about pubescent girls. I don't think the two are identical or synonymous. I was launching from my long post here.
    I do think that they are two different things, slightly, anyway and in terms of practicality, yes. But I think that a large part of the attraction is the mythological pure virginal girl. I don't think it is now or ever was all about ensuring that any offspring are genetically related to the man who 'owns' the woman. I think it is about control of a lot more than just that. On the female side, I think that there are plenty of women who are attracted to older men because older men are more stable in many ways, economically, socially, emotionally. Less likely perhaps to stray or want to stay all night with the boys (or whoever). Of course there is often a disparity in maturity between men and women, at least up to a certain age.
    Coming from decades of being in open relationships sluty women being shamed and virginity being upheld as a virtue isn't something that comes from men. Women do that to each other. Women have capacity of much more sex than men do. The moment men stop being selfish and jealous and "share" their women, there's more sex for everybody.

    When entering into the open/poly world men and women react along different lines.

    The men who are jealous and have problems with it have very serious issues. They have something seriously wrong in the head. It's nearly always something weird and random. Some deep seated insecurity. If it was natural, then we'd expect to see some clear pattern. But it's all nuts. A quite common hang up is feelings of inadequecy. Which is cute. But doesn't explain why they would have a problem with his woman sleeping with another man. He's not going to become more adequate if they're monogamous. It's supremely irrational, ie just nuts. But, like I said, men's problems with open relationships are most often just bizarre.

    Women are the ones who call each other sluts and shame other women for sleeping around. If they have a problem with open relationships it's usually because they're genuinely emotionally monogamous. They need to be in love with the men they sleep with and only have capacity to love one man at a time. I say usually. Because a lot of women of course are into open relationships. More women than men. And are cool with it. Men typically struggle more in open relationships than women.

    My take away from my experiences with this world is that shaming women for their sexuality is what women do to each other (perhaps something innate) and something men have to be taught to do.

    Men love slutty women. It makes no sense that a confident man in touch with his sexuality (and who isn't crazy) would have any problem with women sleeping around with whoever. A lot of men think they will. But once in the open relationship world and get over the initial shock, they're like fish in water.

    Just my two cents.
    Always good to get your two cents on what women think and feel and why they do what they do. Not sure how women manage without such valuable male perspectives.

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    Men love slutty women??

    I'd say only slutty men love slutty women.
    My name is Kit Marlowe. I was NOT killed in a bar in 1593. I came to this century in a time machine of my own design, to report to this advanced society the truth concerning the mysterious author of the plays of William Shakespeare...who...just happens to be me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAB View Post
    Men love slutty women??

    I'd say only slutty men love slutty women.
    Seconded.

    I'm not going to judge a woman based on how many people she has had sex with, but the quality of the people she has sex with is another matter. To me, the old adage "you are known by the company you keep" is very relevant in the sexual realm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
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    Coming from decades of being in open relationships sluty women being shamed and virginity being upheld as a virtue isn't something that comes from men. Women do that to each other. Women have capacity of much more sex than men do. The moment men stop being selfish and jealous and "share" their women, there's more sex for everybody.

    When entering into the open/poly world men and women react along different lines.

    The men who are jealous and have problems with it have very serious issues. They have something seriously wrong in the head. It's nearly always something weird and random. Some deep seated insecurity. If it was natural, then we'd expect to see some clear pattern. But it's all nuts. A quite common hang up is feelings of inadequecy. Which is cute. But doesn't explain why they would have a problem with his woman sleeping with another man. He's not going to become more adequate if they're monogamous. It's supremely irrational, ie just nuts. But, like I said, men's problems with open relationships are most often just bizarre.

    Women are the ones who call each other sluts and shame other women for sleeping around. If they have a problem with open relationships it's usually because they're genuinely emotionally monogamous. They need to be in love with the men they sleep with and only have capacity to love one man at a time. I say usually. Because a lot of women of course are into open relationships. More women than men. And are cool with it. Men typically struggle more in open relationships than women.

    My take away from my experiences with this world is that shaming women for their sexuality is what women do to each other (perhaps something innate) and something men have to be taught to do.

    Men love slutty women. It makes no sense that a confident man in touch with his sexuality (and who isn't crazy) would have any problem with women sleeping around with whoever. A lot of men think they will. But once in the open relationship world and get over the initial shock, they're like fish in water.

    Just my two cents.
    Always good to get your two cents on what women think and feel and why they do what they do. Not sure how women manage without such valuable male perspectives.
    I particularly enjoyed the inherent sense of ownership sprinkled throughout that post.

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    I have a question for women.

    How do you tolerate men at all? I'm a man and I can barely tolerate men.

    I suggest a plan: ladies, unite! First, kill all the alpha males. Then, enslave the betas. It will be easy, believe me. I'm a beta and I'd love to be enslaved by women.

    Once this is achieved, you make most of the betas workers, and you select a handful of them for reproductive purposes.

    Wait. Actually you'll only need one beta for that. It would require a great deal of hard work, of course. It would be gruelling and stressful. But I'm sure you could find somebody who could qualify for the job.

    I don't mind hard work. I can handle stress...




    /humor
    My name is Kit Marlowe. I was NOT killed in a bar in 1593. I came to this century in a time machine of my own design, to report to this advanced society the truth concerning the mysterious author of the plays of William Shakespeare...who...just happens to be me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAB View Post
    I have a question for women.

    How do you tolerate men at all? I'm a man and I can barely tolerate men.

    I suggest a plan: ladies, unite! First, kill all the alpha males. Then, enslave the betas. It will be easy, believe me. I'm a beta and I'd love to be enslaved by women.

    Once this is achieved, you make most of the betas workers, and you select a handful of them for reproductive purposes.

    Wait. Actually you'll only need one beta for that. It would require a great deal of hard work, of course. It would be gruelling and stressful. But I'm sure you could find somebody who could qualify for the job.

    I don't mind hard work. I can handle stress...




    /humor

    No, we’d require a significant number of males in order to ensure sufficient genetic diversity.

    Or at least their sperm. The rest? That would depend e turkey on how talented they are and how useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WAB View Post
    I have a question for women.

    How do you tolerate men at all? I'm a man and I can barely tolerate men.

    I suggest a plan: ladies, unite! First, kill all the alpha males. Then, enslave the betas. It will be easy, believe me. I'm a beta and I'd love to be enslaved by women.

    Once this is achieved, you make most of the betas workers, and you select a handful of them for reproductive purposes.

    Wait. Actually you'll only need one beta for that. It would require a great deal of hard work, of course. It would be gruelling and stressful. But I'm sure you could find somebody who could qualify for the job.

    I don't mind hard work. I can handle stress...




    /humor

    No, we’d require a significant number of males in order to ensure sufficient genetic diversity.

    Or at least their sperm. The rest? That would depend e turkey on how talented they are and how useful.
    Well dang it!
    My name is Kit Marlowe. I was NOT killed in a bar in 1593. I came to this century in a time machine of my own design, to report to this advanced society the truth concerning the mysterious author of the plays of William Shakespeare...who...just happens to be me...

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