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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
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    It's tough, unless you are under 20 and 5'10+, weighing under 120 lbs. Too loose and you look shorter and dumpier and no one wants that. Too tight and you look like you bought your pants 20 lbs (or more) ago and nobody wants that. It can be really, really, really tough to find a pair of jeans or pants that does what it's supposed to do: make you look taller, thinner, hipper, younger, and smarter AND have convenient and sufficiently deep pockets that don't make your hips or your ass look huge. There are about 70 bajillion different makers/styles/sizes of jeans and pants, no two of which will consistently even semi-fit you. Even--get this: if you go to the same store on the same day and in the same department store dressing room, try on 3 different pairs of the same style (verified by tag) and same size (again, verified by tag) of stupid boring pants that you can wear to work and meet the 'business casual' dress code while staying within the 'don't pay too much because you're only going to destroy them when something heinous spills or splashes on them in the lab price/quality point.

    Do not even get me started on jeans. I will say that I exercise extreme brand loyalty when it comes to jeans.
    I'm surprised. I've seen that sort of size variability with no-name clothes (as a teenager I once bought a 30 and a 34 on the same day), but I exclusively buy Levi's jeans these days--and I can absolutely trust the fit from pair to pair. Likewise, my hiking stuff is completely consistent. (Admittedly, that's not el-cheapo stuff. You can't count on el-cheapo stuff, if I can't count on it it might as well not be there. Thus the only el-cheapo stuff I hike with trash bags and some bags to contain mess.)
    You're talking about men's sizing. Women's sizing is not consistent. I currently wear mostly Levi's. But, even Levi's vary from style to style, which I why I always check the measurements very closely if I'm ordering a pair online.
    Men tend to underestimate the impact that body shape has on clothing for women. Men simply don't have as much variation in shape as we do. It tends to be a pretty straight-forward height/weight measure for most clothes. So while sizing can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer (there isn't a fixed standard, after all), within a given brand, knowing your size is pretty much all you need.

    Women have variations in height and weight as well... but we also have variations in bust size and the ratio of hip to waist, as well as the length from belly button to crotch. Within the same brand, I'll wear dramatically different sizes depending on the cut. A "curvy" fit I usually take a smaller size, because they're shaped to accommodate my outsized derrière, but a slim cut takes a larger size because my thighs are thick (they were even when I was young and thin). With slim cuts, I can wear low or mid rise cuts, but not standard or high rise cuts, because the latter gape around my waist, which is still fairly narrow.

    Even bras are far more complicated for fitting than most men realize. The standard band length + cup size is only half the battle, especially if you're no longer a perky teen. The shape of the cups also matters a lot, as does the amount of separation between the cups, and the length/adjustability of the shoulder straps. My mom & I are the same "size", in that we're both 36-Cs. But my breasts are a bit further separated than hers, and hers are lower on her torso than mine. So she needs shoulder straps that adjust to longer lengths, and I usually end up with my shoulder straps cinched up as high as they can go. I can wear demi cups, because my more separated breasts will stay in the cups, where her boobs are closer together and tend to just pop right out. I run into trouble trying to balance a wide enough band to give good support without cutting me in half or riding up, and bras that are cut too high under the arms, and become really uncomfortable after wearing them for a short while.

    Buying a bra is a tedious, demoralizing, annoying all-day event. And it usually involves a complete stranger seeing your boobs, and making suggestions.

    I would get some schadenfreude-ish giggles out of life if men had to go through as much hassle to find appropriate support for their balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    I was surprised as well, given that I looked very carefully at the labels which gave a style name and number and made sure they matched. They weren't cheapo but not high end, either. It was actually Dockers. They needed to look nice enough to pass for business casual and yet be inexpensive enough that when something bad got spilt or splashed, I wasn't gnashing my teeth. Dockers on sale did the trick for me, when I could find them in petite sizes. Not an easy thing to do.
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    Size variability seems to be a much bigger issue with women's clothing in general compared with men's. In men's pants, for instance, you get to choose by waist and inseam.
    Look a little more--Levis have a whole variety of style numbers that translate to different cuts. Only the 550s are comfortable for me, the others are too small in the lower thigh region.

    Women have to be prepared to do our own hemming. Worse, I have had to explain over and over to a few women why I can't just wear regular sizes. I'm no longer petite in terms of girth but I haven't grown any taller. A regular sized blouse, for instance, is just too darn long between the top of the shoulder and the bust. It never fits right. I have no problem with casual tshirts for yard work or hiking or whatever but if I need to look even a little put together, I need to seek out stores which carry petite sizes.
    My wife is lucky in that regard--it's been a long time since she needed to wear anything above casual. She almost always goes to big girl clothes rather than petite women clothes.

    Unfortunately for me, my metabolism took a nosedive some years ago and I haven't been able to drop pounds I've picked up. Before, I ate like a horse and weighed....under 100 soaking wet. Now, I am much more moderate in my eating habits but alas, although I swore I would never gain weight like a lot of my family members, it was a promise I could not keep.
    Are you my sister-in-law?? My wife used to eat like a horse (my favorite illustration was maybe 25 years ago, buffet line. One person ended up between us, he saw her plate and commented to me that she must have a hollow leg--and my reply: yes, and that will fill up one of them. I knew she would get three plates, although the last wouldn't have as much on it) and her young adult weight was under 90 pounds. She has one sister that's about her size, the other two have been in the overweight category as long as I've known them.

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    In men’s pants there are different cuts too. There slim fit, regular, relaxed, loose. And we do need to find the right fit. I happen to have a narrow waist compared to my hips and muscular thighs so I can’t go to the store and just pick up a 30x30 W/L and expect them to fit. Even the fit of the so-called “style” will depend on brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
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    Tight jeans are very comfortable on me because I have arthritis in my knees and the tight jeans are almost like wearing a compression sleeve on my knees.
    Huh?!

    These days I hike with compression sleeves on my knees, but they're only good when standing. I don't wear them in the car.
    Well, I'm obviously not you. I wore compression sleeves on my knees under loser jeans during the last two years that I worked. My jeans aren't quite as comfortable as compression sleeves but they are close enough to be comfortable for me. What works for one, doesn't necessarily work for everyone. Duh......
    I'm just amazed you find them comfortable to wear while sitting. They bunch up behind the knee and grow uncomfortable over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    You're talking about men's sizing. Women's sizing is not consistent. I currently wear mostly Levi's. But, even Levi's vary from style to style, which I why I always check the measurements very closely if I'm ordering a pair online.
    She was talking about supposedly matched items. That's why it shocked me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    You're talking about men's sizing. Women's sizing is not consistent. I currently wear mostly Levi's. But, even Levi's vary from style to style, which I why I always check the measurements very closely if I'm ordering a pair online.
    She was talking about supposedly matched items. That's why it shocked me.
    It really shocked me, too. I think there isn’t the same level of quality control as there used to be, and it varies by manufacturer. I have a couple of brands that I am immensely loyal to because I can count on certain sizes and styles fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
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    You're talking about men's sizing. Women's sizing is not consistent. I currently wear mostly Levi's. But, even Levi's vary from style to style, which I why I always check the measurements very closely if I'm ordering a pair online.
    She was talking about supposedly matched items. That's why it shocked me.
    It really shocked me, too. I think there isn’t the same level of quality control as there used to be, and it varies by manufacturer. I have a couple of brands that I am immensely loyal to because I can count on certain sizes and styles fitting.
    I have 3 pairs of the exact same Levi's. They are all the same size and they are slightly different in the way that they fit. My husband used to be a manufacturing engineer. His original background was in clothing. I think I remember him telling me that size differences are often due to where the clothing is manufactured. One company he worked for had operations in Costa Rica, Mexico and China. I guess each plant might size a little bit differently.

    Since Loren and I were disagreeing about compression sleeves, let me add, that mine never fold over or slip down. I wear some that are made of bamboo. Some of mine are about five years old and are just starting to become a bit stretched out. They are quite comfortable and protective enough to help my pain. My knees are bone on bone. I refuse knee replacement surgery, but I am finally going to have gel injections next month as several other older women I know, have claimed that they work well for pain. They usually last about 6 months. Medicare covers the cost. Just adding that in case anyone else here is having knee issues and doesn't want surgery.

    Please don't take this as criticism or bragging. But, I found that aerobic exercise has increased my metabolism so much that I now worry more about losing too much weight, instead of gaining too much weight. I used to think it was bunk when I was told that your metabolism stays higher several hours after you finish your workout, but I think it may be true.

    During the pandemic, I increased my workouts from 3 days a week to 7 days a week. I lost ten pounds and I eat more now than I did before I increased the workouts. I just use Leslie Sansone's DVDs. She's a bit annoying but the workouts are easy to follow and they work. They were using them at our senior center, but when it shut down due to the pandemic, I started using some that I had ordered from Amazon or had previously bought in a store. Even with bad knees, I can do them, as long as I take an analgesic about an hour prior to beginning.

    Working out has all but eliminated by neck and back pain. As long as I wear compression sleeves on my knees, I can tolerate the pain. I don't mean to sound like an exercise evangelist, but I've read several articles that give evidence that exercise is more important that what you weigh. So, for Toni or anyone else who is concerned about gaining weight or just needs to be more active, please consider aerobic workouts. I'd do fast walking but my feet are also arthritic and bending them while walking is too painful. Walking in place and doing dance steps is very tolerable. Forgive me for preaching about exercise. I just want everyone to be healthier. We were made to move!

    Men usually don't like Leslie's workouts. Whenever a man would join our group, he would rarely stay around very long. My husband joined us for about a year, but now he takes a 2 mile walk every morning with one of our dogs. I started out that way when I was about 50, but once the foot arthritis set in, I had to do something else. I miss walking around the neighborhood, but one must do whatever works best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

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    Look a little more--Levis have a whole variety of style numbers that translate to different cuts. Only the 550s are comfortable for me, the others are too small in the lower thigh region.

    Women have to be prepared to do our own hemming. Worse, I have had to explain over and over to a few women why I can't just wear regular sizes. I'm no longer petite in terms of girth but I haven't grown any taller. A regular sized blouse, for instance, is just too darn long between the top of the shoulder and the bust. It never fits right. I have no problem with casual tshirts for yard work or hiking or whatever but if I need to look even a little put together, I need to seek out stores which carry petite sizes.
    My wife is lucky in that regard--it's been a long time since she needed to wear anything above casual. She almost always goes to big girl clothes rather than petite women clothes.

    Unfortunately for me, my metabolism took a nosedive some years ago and I haven't been able to drop pounds I've picked up. Before, I ate like a horse and weighed....under 100 soaking wet. Now, I am much more moderate in my eating habits but alas, although I swore I would never gain weight like a lot of my family members, it was a promise I could not keep.
    Are you my sister-in-law?? My wife used to eat like a horse (my favorite illustration was maybe 25 years ago, buffet line. One person ended up between us, he saw her plate and commented to me that she must have a hollow leg--and my reply: yes, and that will fill up one of them. I knew she would get three plates, although the last wouldn't have as much on it) and her young adult weight was under 90 pounds. She has one sister that's about her size, the other two have been in the overweight category as long as I've known them.
    Ok I should qualify that: I ate like a teenage girl horse up until my30’s. Nothing at all compared with my husband or sons. But back in the day, I would drop a few pounds if I stayed up too late or skipped a meal. At one point I had to be careful because if I dropped below 93 or 94 lbs, I’d just keep losing weight. I generally stayed at 98-102. If I hit 105, I felt chubby. I’m short and have a slight frame so even a small change in weight was noticeable. Alas! Those days are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    You're talking about men's sizing. Women's sizing is not consistent. I currently wear mostly Levi's. But, even Levi's vary from style to style, which I why I always check the measurements very closely if I'm ordering a pair online.
    She was talking about supposedly matched items. That's why it shocked me.
    It really shocked me, too. I think there isn’t the same level of quality control as there used to be, and it varies by manufacturer. I have a couple of brands that I am immensely loyal to because I can count on certain sizes and styles fitting.
    I've run into that too. It almost always seems to vary by where I buy them. Like, if I buy Levi's at Macys or Nordstrom, they fit differently than if I buy them at Target or Fred Meyer. Even if they've got the same make number and size. It makes me think they're manufactured differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Lake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post

    It really shocked me, too. I think there isn’t the same level of quality control as there used to be, and it varies by manufacturer. I have a couple of brands that I am immensely loyal to because I can count on certain sizes and styles fitting.
    I've run into that too. It almost always seems to vary by where I buy them. Like, if I buy Levi's at Macys or Nordstrom, they fit differently than if I buy them at Target or Fred Meyer. Even if they've got the same make number and size. It makes me think they're manufactured differently.
    Yes, exactly!

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