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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Lake View Post
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    Clint is the hero in Pale Rider and prevents a rape.

    No, it is High Plains Drifter where is a total antihero in all ways:
    Yes, that's the one.
    Right. Pale Rider is the one where he pretends to be a priest, has sex with an almost married woman whose 14 year old daughter falls in love with him. But hey, at least he rejects the 14 year old's sexual advances. "A man's got to know his limitations"

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    I just happed to catch a scene of a modern movie The girl With The Dragon Tattoo. A rape scene as entertainment.

    Are you guys on a first name basis with Mr Eastwood? I am impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    No, it is not. Getting a standardized test (SAT or ACT) was not a long-standing issue before the pandemic. Prospective students could not get access to them because of shutdowns - they were not given. That is a fact.
    The issue of whether the SAT/ACT is predictive has been an issue since before the pandemic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    And you are still refusing to address the point that your own article says GPA is a good predictor when you consider the school it came from. You conveniently keep omitting this part of it.
    No, the article does says the GPA is a good predictor even after controlling for the school.
    You're so obsessed about avoiding this that you got it backwards.

    You have yet to post a response that indicates you have a clue about the topic of this discussion. Schools are moving away from using the SAT or ACT because there is growing research that HS GPA is a better predictor. It has nothing to do with hiding discrimination.
    Why are you bending over backwards to give repeat offenders the benefit of the doubt??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcoholic Actuary View Post
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    The problem isn't the word privilege. The problem is people feeling hurt because they think they are being accused of practicing or benefitting from unfairness. No matter what word is used, that feeling won't go away.
    Couldn't agree more. Once is the maximum number of times needed to explain this position and what privilege refers to in this context. If the response to that explanation is "no, you're not saying 'X', you're actually saying 'Y'" then 0 is the number of times you need to repeat yourself. Because the problem isn't with the message or how it's conveyed. The problem is that this particular message is something that your audience cannot and will not hear.

    It's not like it's being referred to as 'Adolf Hitler Syndrome' or something.

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    The problem is that this is basically saying we are at fault for something we didn't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    The issue of whether the SAT/ACT is predictive has been an issue since before the pandemic.
    No one is talking about whether it is predictive. The discussion is that growing research indicates that HS GPA is a better predictor than SAT/ACT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    You're so obsessed about avoiding this that you got it backwards.
    What is "this" you are babbling about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Why are you bending over backwards to give repeat offenders the benefit of the doubt??
    I wouldn't say I am bending over backwards to give you the benefit of doubt with your inane arguments and false accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    The problem isn't the word privilege. The problem is people feeling hurt because they think they are being accused of practicing or benefitting from unfairness. No matter what word is used, that feeling won't go away.
    Couldn't agree more. Once is the maximum number of times needed to explain this position and what privilege refers to in this context. If the response to that explanation is "no, you're not saying 'X', you're actually saying 'Y'" then 0 is the number of times you need to repeat yourself. Because the problem isn't with the message or how it's conveyed. The problem is that this particular message is something that your audience cannot and will not hear.

    It's not like it's being referred to as 'Adolf Hitler Syndrome' or something.

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    The problem is that this is basically saying we are at fault for something we didn't do.
    Can you point out where anyone said that? Because you're more or less making AA's point here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldtraveller View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    The problem is that this is basically saying we are at fault for something we didn't do.
    Can you point out where anyone said that? Because you're more or less making AA's point here.
    You’re not at fault; but you should held to the consequences as if you were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldtraveller View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    The problem is that this is basically saying we are at fault for something we didn't do.
    Can you point out where anyone said that? Because you're more or less making AA's point here.
    You’re not at fault; but you should held to the consequences as if you were.
    No, see you and LP are STILL suggesting that the message is somehow "let's bring white people into squalor!" This issue is about identification and recognition (and not contrition and consequence) of a condition that exists among NOT white people. So suspend your self absorbed delusions and actually hear the message. It really shouldn't be the burden of the communicator to pro-actively eliminate all of the things that aren't being said.

    Unless the only 'consequence' you don't want to have happen is that minorities start enjoying the same justice and equality that whites currently do, in which case you are at least being honest about intentionally distorting and obfuscating the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
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    The problem is that this is basically saying we are at fault for something we didn't do.
    Can you point out where anyone said that? Because you're more or less making AA's point here.
    You’re not at fault; but you should held to the consequences as if you were.
    What "consequences" do you feel are people to held to?

    Really, the OP indicates "You are not to blame for the privileges you have or have not. These things were set up before you were born. " A normal reading of "not to blame" suggests that you are not to held to the consequences of "privilege". Unless, of course, you think that when everyone has the same "privilege", that it is unfair that the previous beneficiaries lose any advantages of said privilege.

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    Some people have trouble understanding the difference between guilt and responsibility. We are not guilty of the sins of our ancestors. But we do inherit a responsiblity to right those wrongs and make a better world together. It's part of being an adult, realizing that the world is not fair, that the deck is always rigged in somebody's favor. If you learn that someone has given you an unfair advantage without your consent, the responsible thing to do is not to demand that the concessions continue and call that "fairness", just because it hurts your feelings to admit that you won prizes you never earned. The mentality of the modern white supremacist is like the person who comes across a malfunctioning ATM dealing out double bills, and instead of reporting it, thinks they are justified in taking advantage of the windfall because anyone else could theoretically have also discovered and profited from the same malfunction. And getting outraged instead of chagrined when the CCTV catches them at it. Just because you didn't create a situation, you aren't free of criticism concerning your response to that situation.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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