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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    There is only one species called "humans".
    Human (disambiguation) offers "any member of the genus Homo" as one possible meaning of the "human" (while Human is about homo sapiens).

    The controlled use of fire almost certainly predates homo sapiens, but it equally certainly doesn't predate homo. Altering landscapes' fire regimes (by setting fire to the grass regularly in the dry season to prevent fuel buildup and bush encroachment) probably doesn't predate homo sapiens.

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    Turkana Boy

    They say this guy lived about 1.5 to 1.6 million years ago.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana_Boy

    It looks like the boy was somewhere between the ages of 8 to 12.

    They say Homo erectus could reach a height of 6'1".

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Turkana Boy

    They say this guy lived about 1.5 to 1.6 million years ago.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana_Boy

    It looks like the boy was somewhere between the ages of 8 to 12.

    They say Homo erectus could reach a height of 6'1".
    You seem to be saying that he is unambiguously not human, under any plausible definition of "human"?

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    I am saying the opposite.

    I am saying the lad looks very human.

    He did not have the language capacity though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    I am saying the opposite.

    I am saying the lad looks very human.

    He did not have the language capacity though.
    You said "There is only one species called "humans"." Hes not commonly accepted as a member of our species.

    You previously said that control of fire predates human. Good evidence that it predates him is scarce at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokodo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    I am saying the opposite.

    I am saying the lad looks very human.

    He did not have the language capacity though.
    You said "There is only one species called "humans"." Hes not commonly accepted as a member of our species.

    You previously said that control of fire predates human. Good evidence that it predates him is scarce at best.
    Homo is a genus, not a species.

    Members of the same species can produce offspring that can reproduce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jokodo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    I am saying the opposite.

    I am saying the lad looks very human.

    He did not have the language capacity though.
    You said "There is only one species called "humans"." Hes not commonly accepted as a member of our species.

    You previously said that control of fire predates human. Good evidence that it predates him is scarce at best.
    Homo is a genus, not a species.

    Members of the same species can produce offspring that can reproduce.
    We absolutely reproduced with H. erectus. Indeed, most people believe that H. sapiens evolved directly from an H. erectus population in the first place.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    I am saying the opposite.

    I am saying the lad looks very human.

    He did not have the language capacity though.
    You said "There is only one species called "humans"." Hes not commonly accepted as a member of our species.

    You previously said that control of fire predates human. Good evidence that it predates him is scarce at best.
    Homo is a genus, not a species.
    So you say you're contradicting what you wrote earlier?

    Ok.

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    It all depends on what you think is important.

    I personally don't think you have a human until you have the language capacity.

    A lot of people would agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokodo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post

    Homo is a genus, not a species.
    So you say you're contradicting what you wrote earlier?

    Ok.
    Only if I accept a loose definition of human.

    I don't accept that the shape of the skeleton is what makes up a human.

    A human has language.

    Look around.

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