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    What is the Abrahanic god?

    Does god need math to create a universe?

    Is god bound by anything?

    Where did god come from?


    Does god have to think and deliberate?

    Can god make mistakes?

    Our solar system is a damgerous place. Extinction size asteroids. Solar flares. Gamma ray bursts. Were these an intentional part of the design or unintended consequences?

    Does god need an energy source?

    The Greeks had relatable images of gods. For Jews any physic representation of god was and I suppose is blasphemy.

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    The bible tells us that its god resides on the dome of the sky, above the clouds, below the sun, moon and stars which bring light to the earth, decorate the sky. God strolled through the garden of Eden in the evening, sitting on his throne, looking down upon people on the earth, clouds obscuring his view, creates good and evil, drowns the whole world when unhappy with human behaviour, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Does god need math to create a universe?
    I don't know about 'need' but he could apparently at least count to two according to the Bible.
    Can god make mistakes?
    According to the Biblegod himself, he can. He tried to erase a big one by flooding the world but was talked out of doing a good job of it.

    And then there is the matter of planting 'the tree of knowledge' in the garden of Eden... If he didn't want anyone to eat from it, why the hell did he put it where they could?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Does god need math to create a universe?
    I don't know about 'need' but he could apparently at least count to two according to the Bible.
    Can god make mistakes?
    According to the Biblegod himself, he can. He tried to erase a big one by flooding the world but was talked out of doing a good job of it.

    And then there is the matter of planting 'the tree of knowledge' in the garden of Eden... If he didn't want anyone to eat from it, why the hell did he put it where they could?
    They say it was supposed to be a test of obedience. God instructs a naive couple to not eat the forbidden fruit as a test, while putting all the elements into place to ensure that it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Does god need math to create a universe?

    Is god bound by anything?

    Where did god come from?


    Does god have to think and deliberate?

    Can god make mistakes?

    Our solar system is a damgerous place. Extinction size asteroids. Solar flares. Gamma ray bursts. Were these an intentional part of the design or unintended consequences?

    Does god need an energy source?

    The Greeks had relatable images of gods. For Jews any physic representation of god was and I suppose is blasphemy.
    The hardcore believer is not bothered by such questions because he knows that everything was originally perfect, like being on a high, pain and trouble free. Then humans decided to do something. But because humans had neve done anything before they cocked it up, like the first time a toddler tries to walk and falls down. If humans hadn't cocked it up then all toddlers would just start walking, never falling.

    So the problem is humans just cocked it up. See how easy it is to understand the god?

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    God Knows Future Events - Omniscience

    Isaiah 41:22-3
    22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the
    former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end
    of them; or declare us things for to come.
    23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods:
    yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.

    Isaiah 42:9
    "Behold, the former things have come to pass, Now I declare new
    things; Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you."

    See also:
    Isaiah 41:22-3, Isaiah 42:9, Isaiah 44:6-7, Isaiah 46:10,
    Jeremiah 1:5, Daniel 2:28, Exodus 3:19, Deuteronomy 31:21,
    1 Samuel 23:10-13, Psalm 139:4-5 & 16, John 16:13, Acts 2:23,
    Acts 3:18, Acts 4:27-28, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 8:29, Romans 11:2

    And of course God creates everything. Genesis 1 - 3 etc.

    To create a Universe, God must choose an initial state of creation. Being omniscient, having foreknowledge of the future God will know how any Universe he creates will unfold. That Universe is determinate. We have no free will. So all acts of horrendous moral evil are caused solely and only by God's choice of an initial state of creation God chose.

    The Bible is claimed to be a divine revelation from God. And these claims define the Abrahamic God. Among these claims are claims that God IS fair, IS just, IS compassionate, IS merciful, Is righteous and loves us.

    But a God that creates all acts of horrendous moral evil is none of these things. This is known as theological fatalism, or theological determinism. Theologians have tried for centuries to deal with this problem. But to date have failed to do so. The God so described by a supposed revelation by God is incoherent, self contradictory and logically impossible. Attempts to do so include Process Theology and Open Theology that abandon the claims God knows the future. But that means abandoning the claims that the Bible is a revelation from God and is in any way meaningful. And also takes out a lot of theological claims, such as God is outside of time and sees all as one big now. Where does time come from God must obey it's laws? Since all of physics is tied to time,relativity, that means all of physics is then also beyond God's control and cannot have been designed or created by God.

    Thus the Abrahamic God of the Bible is not possible and does not exist.
    Cheerful Charlie

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    Let me know when you find out.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    Sounds like Ed Sullivan...We have a really big shew tonight.

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