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    Reviewing outdated laws

    In a discussion elsewhere, someone quoted a ten year old article in support of their contention that nuclear power plants are safe.

    Their debate opponent declared that this was an outdated idea, to which the response was "The laws of physics haven't changed since 2011".

    Which prompts the question, "Why not?"

    Perhaps the committee could be persuaded to increase the speed of light.

    Einstein's generation didn't have to consider the impact on geostationary satellite communications latency, so it's understandable why they set it at such a low value, but an increase to maybe 1012 m/s would certainly be useful today.

    Does anyone have any other requests or suggestions for adjustments to the laws of physics that we should submit for review by the committee, to bring these laws up to date with modern needs?

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    Hell yes...

    We should repeal the laws of conservation of both mass and energy.

    .. Elimination of the requirement that mass must be conserved would eliminate hunger in the world. Families would only need to stock their pantries once then forever after they could feast from the bounty.

    .. Elimination of the requirement that energy must be conserved would eliminate the need for power stations (that are destroying the planet ). A portable generator could be temporarily connected to a home to power up the internal wiring then disconnected and moved on to the next home. The home owners could then forever after use the power in their wiring for lights, cooking, heat, etc.

    ETA:
    I have to wonder why scientists would pass such laws that are so harmful, especially to the poor of the world. They must be racist, xenophobic bastards.

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    The 'laws' of science exist as long as they have value and utility.

    There is no pope of science and college of cardinals. No catechism of science.

    Science rise and falls based on tests and group(global) consensus.

    Newton's Laws remain a foundation of modern engineering even though we know it does not work at quantum and relativistic levels.

    Newtonian gravity works fine on the surface and LEO.

    Circa 1900 there were competing theories to explain electric current. The electron won out. Theories come and go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    The 'laws' of science exist as long as they have value and utility.

    There is no pope of science and college of cardinals. No catechism of science.

    Science rise and falls based on tests and group(global) consensus.

    Newton's Laws remain a foundation of modern engineering even though we know it does not work at quantum and relativistic levels.

    Newtonian gravity works fine on the surface and LEO.

    Circa 1900 there were competing theories to explain electric current. The electron won out. Theories come and go.
    Thanks Lieutenant Obvious. Good luck with your promotion review board.

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    First, steve_bank there is a big difference between the laws of science and the laws of physics.

    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    In a discussion elsewhere, someone quoted a ten year old article in support of their contention that nuclear power plants are safe.

    Their debate opponent declared that this was an outdated idea, to which the response was "The laws of physics haven't changed since 2011".

    Which prompts the question, "Why not?"

    Perhaps the committee could be persuaded to increase the speed of light.

    Einstein's generation didn't have to consider the impact on geostationary satellite communications latency, so it's understandable why they set it at such a low value, but an increase to maybe 1012 m/s would certainly be useful today.

    Does anyone have any other requests or suggestions for adjustments to the laws of physics that we should submit for review by the committee, to bring these laws up to date with modern needs?
    The laws of Physics aren't changing, or if they are changing man isn't able to reliably measure them so man's version of the laws of Physics are in flux.

    Man's understanding what are The Laws of Physics change with each new advance in man's ability to examine reveal and measure them. Clearly today in man's version of laws of Physics rate of space and universe expansion and mass of universe are in play as we try to estimate them to get a better fix on stuff we'll probably never directly measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    The 'laws' of science exist as long as they have value and utility.

    There is no pope of science and college of cardinals. No catechism of science.

    Science rise and falls based on tests and group(global) consensus.

    Newton's Laws remain a foundation of modern engineering even though we know it does not work at quantum and relativistic levels.

    Newtonian gravity works fine on the surface and LEO.

    Circa 1900 there were competing theories to explain electric current. The electron won out. Theories come and go.
    Adding the tail does not wag the dog. The universe does not conforms to our laws, what we call laws are models of reality not reality itself. I prefer the term model over law.A law is simply a principle so well testd by experiment that we do not question its use.

    Ohm's Law. LOT, Newton's Laws. Within known bounds of the models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Does anyone have any other requests or suggestions for adjustments to the laws of physics that we should submit for review by the committee, to bring these laws up to date with modern needs?
    The laws governing the replication of life forms, allowing such variation.
    We have a vaccine, and we already have new strains? What kind of quality control is that?
    Or every time we class up a company in boot camp, kids bring their cold bugs together in a free-for-all. Everyone is going to suffer disimmunity to at least one strain.
    Not saying end all variation, but installing a review board in the process might be helpful.
    Have AN approved COVID for at least ten years, AN approved cold, maybe THE yearly flu...

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    A very useful thing would be to lessen the amount of entropy.

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    The committee should bring the old laws up to date so they would be more useful in today's world. Newton's laws of motion were written over 300 years ago when twenty miles per hour was consider to be fast. Now we have autos that typically travel at 70mph and aircraft flying at 500mph but we are still stuck with those old laws unless the committee would agree to amend or abolish them. That v2 term Newton insisted on using wasn't a big problem at 20mph but, with today's speeds, it means we are wasting a hell of a lot of gas. If the committee would drop that square, then we would burn much, much less fissile fuel and release much less carbon-dioxide into the atmosphere... it would also make auto accidents much less severe, saving lives.

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    Can we get rid of Laws of Logic also? I vote to eliminate the Law of the Excluded Middle.

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