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    Bearing False Witness in Evangelizing

    Reading another thread, it stuck me that every time a Christian tries to evangelize about “eternal life” they are claiming to have witnessed something that they have not witnessed.

    No one has witnessed eternal life. (Nor have they personally witnessed many of the things they evangelize about). So aren’t they bearing false witness in the most literal sense?

    And this makes me wonder, what have they ever actually witnessed? The only witness they can give to anything in the bible is a witness that they read it, not that it is true. They didn’t witness that.


    Bearing false witness is something that they do a lot, it seems, when they evangelize with any claimed certainty beyond their own feelings.

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    It's not hearsay if the fishwife you heard it from is unimpeachably perfect and omniscient.
    It would HELP if they ever dhowed ip and gave their testimony firsthand, but we just have to have faith that the politically-influenced attempts at translating anonymous third- or-more-hand accounts at least capture the salient details upon which to wager our eternal essences which will persist after our earthly demise.

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    It's heresy the fishwife you heard it from is unimpeachably perfect and omniscient.

    better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Reading another thread, it stuck me that every time a Christian tries to evangelize about “eternal life” they are claiming to have witnessed something that they have not witnessed.

    No one has witnessed eternal life. (Nor have they personally witnessed many of the things they evangelize about). So aren’t they bearing false witness in the most literal sense?

    And this makes me wonder, what have they ever actually witnessed? The only witness they can give to anything in the bible is a witness that they read it, not that it is true. They didn’t witness that.


    Bearing false witness is something that they do a lot, it seems, when they evangelize with any claimed certainty beyond their own feelings.
    I assume you mean an afterlife rather than eternal life as such. If they claim to have seen it personally, than yes.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    No, she does not.
    It has been made quite clear to me that they mean eternal life, not simply 'being dead but in Paradise.' Because that's thd promise they have accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    No, she does not.
    It has been made quite clear to me that they mean eternal life, not simply 'being dead but in Paradise.' Because that's thd promise they have accepted.
    In that case, presuming they are correct in their cosmological views, it isn't false witness since the life you're living right now is your eternal life, and anyone can bear witness to it. I thought the implication Rhea meant was that since no one can observe the afterlife, they can't bear witness to it honestly.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post

    I assume you mean an afterlife rather than eternal life as such.
    Why on earth would you assume that? Seriously, that is confusing. What made you say it?

    Matthew 25:46
    And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

    John 6:27
    Do not work for food that perishes, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on Him God the Father has placed His seal of approval."

    1 John 2:25
    And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.

    1 John 5:11
    And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

    John 3:16,36
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life…

    John 6:40,47
    And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    In that case, presuming they are correct in their cosmological views, it isn't false witness since the life you're living right now is your eternal life, and anyone can bear witness to it. I thought the implication Rhea meant was that since no one can observe the afterlife, they can't bear witness to it honestly.
    Everyone who bears witness to this life knows it is not eternal. Everyone dies. EVERY. ONE. No one has ever witnessed anything eternal. No one has ever witnessed life before birth and no one has ever witnessed life after death. No one has ever witnessed anything that is not finite.

    Come on, don't play word games. You're better than that. You know what they are saying and you know they have never seen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post

    In that case, presuming they are correct in their cosmological views,
    On a separate note, what does this mean? Assuming they are correct that they think there is eternal life? Assuming they are correct in think something they have never seen is still factual? Assuming a cosmological view is a thing and that there is a correct one? Assuming they think like you?

    I can't parse what you're grokking here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Reading another thread, it stuck me that every time a Christian tries to evangelize about “eternal life” they are claiming to have witnessed something that they have not witnessed.

    No one has witnessed eternal life. (Nor have they personally witnessed many of the things they evangelize about). So aren’t they bearing false witness in the most literal sense?

    And this makes me wonder, what have they ever actually witnessed? The only witness they can give to anything in the bible is a witness that they read it, not that it is true. They didn’t witness that.


    Bearing false witness is something that they do a lot, it seems, when they evangelize with any claimed certainty beyond their own feelings.

    What they witness is OTHER HUMAN BEINGS telling them these things, every bit of it.

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