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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    welp if that is your understanding....um do you think those 10 will compromise up?
    would be nice to have a little more to work with other than rumour
    That's what negotiations are for.
    yeah so let them negotiate up towards 2 trillion.
    and drop the nasty nancy memes.
    lest I have to paint a picture.

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    Well I tried, Derec. Tried to keep you from twisting my statements out of context. But I failed. I should have known better. Taking advantage of my “fat and happy” idiom for contentment with your “fat” comment of people who can afford only the most unhealthy of food or go hungry. Or your “cheap beer and weed” assumption of a people many of whom are too busy working day and night to find time for this, the cheapest form of recreation/relaxation. Oh well. I guess we’re just at different points on the benevolence scale. I’m more inclined to give what I have that is extra. You are more the stand on your own two feet type. That’s cool. Now you might be thinking, fine, if you want to give your money away, that’s should be your choice. Problem is, what I’ve found is my lacking in discipline to do so on a regular basis. Yes, my intentions are good but my actions fall short. And you know the old saying, “Good intentions are for shit”. So, I think the government should help me. Help us. Help me to be the good person I want to be and help you to see you can be just as happy with a little less. So that we may all be a little happier. That we may all have a warm, dry home. Enough to keep us in Walmart grade food through to the end of the month. Maybe a couple years of preschool so parent can go out and work, contributing to a robust economy. A couple more years after high school because we both know reading, writing, and arithmetic just ain’t gettin it anymore. Again, contributing to a robust economy. But I’m going off on a tangent now. We both know these last two items have nothing to do with infrastructure. I mean, how is an educated productive member of society like a suspension bridge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    yeah sure, what was their proposal?
    Dollar wise, I think about 800 billion. In any case, I think they need to sit down with Senate Dems and Biden and hash a compromise out. I hope they come up with a good plan for America. AOC getting apoplectic over it would just be a cherry on top.
    So the dems compromise and still get no republican votes, as has happened so many times before.

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    There's no point in trying to negotiate with the Republicans. They have made it very clear they don't want honest negotiation.
    Mitch McConnell != "the Republicans". I think Biden could get at least 5 GOP Senators on board with a good bipartisan plan. But a compromise would earn him the ire of the Squad.
    which 5?
    Better question - what good is "5 Republicans"?
    I guess it would ensure the passage of anything only requiring 51 Senate votes, but pretty useless when it comes to general legislation that requires 60, let alone systemic change that requires 67..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    which 5?
    Apparently there is group of 10 wiling to work on a compromise.

    GOP senators see path to narrower infrastructure deal

    But again, Sgt. Sandy et al would get livid if some of their pet projects get sacrificed to get Republicans on board.
    Hard to tell if Derec actually trusts that the Party of The Big Lie is interested in compromise rather than delay.
    (Hint: they're not.)
    Rather than condemn his 'optimism' as willing participation in Republicans' ongoing obstruction, I'll give him the benefit of the considerable doubt and deem his push for compromise a product of childlike naiveté.

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    There's no point in trying to negotiate with the Republicans. They have made it very clear they don't want honest negotiation.
    Mitch McConnell != "the Republicans". I think Biden could get at least 5 GOP Senators on board with a good bipartisan plan. But a compromise would earn him the ire of the Squad.
    which 5?
    Manchin and Sinema? That is as bipartisan it seems to get, without military funding being involved. I think it is adorable that Derec thinks Pelosi gives a fuck what "the squad" thinks. "The Squads" power in the House is nothing but a windmill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    [stupid image]
    And what does free elder home care do for bridges exactly? Are old people going to hold them up instead of reinforced concrete?
    Here's how it works.
    Elder care creates jobs. Jobs create taxpaying workers. Taxes fund bridges so the workers can get to work.

    Easy Peasy.
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    [stupid image]
    And what does free elder home care do for bridges exactly? Are old people going to hold them up instead of reinforced concrete?
    You mean other than the United States' existing infrastructure (as in flat out buildings and beds, we can forget about staffing!) for eldercare is woefully and pathetically ill prepared and grossly outnumbered for the oncoming onslaught of Boomers?

    Just because the United States has ignored the eldercare elephant in the room, doesn't mean it hasn't been in the room for a couple decades pilfering peanuts.

    It is like, "If it doesn't personally affect Derec right now" it doesn't exist in the real world. Eldercare is just one of a long list of infrastructural issues that affect or is going to affect most Americans soon and has been completely ignored for the sake of 'lower taxes". FYI, the free market solution will be unregulated homes that'll require a lot of elder neglect and almost no staff that speaks English (forget as a second language).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
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    [stupid image]
    And what does free elder home care do for bridges exactly? Are old people going to hold them up instead of reinforced concrete?
    Here's how it works.
    Elder care creates jobs. Jobs create taxpaying workers. Taxes fund bridges so the workers can get to work.

    Easy Peasy.
    Tom
    Also: Elder care frees up younger offspring to engage in paid work which generates tax revenue. Actually twice: The elder care worker gets paid and pays taxes. The adult with elderly parents gets to continue working instead of providing care and pays taxes.

    Same thing with child care.


    While you may never have had the circumstance of having a parent in need of in home care, I have. A lot of people face this during their working lives. It can be a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    People furious after website they never used or even heard of stops listing recipes with beef.
    I've definitely used their recipes before. No more, I guess.
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    There's no point in trying to negotiate with the Republicans. They have made it very clear they don't want honest negotiation.
    Mitch McConnell != "the Republicans". I think Biden could get at least 5 GOP Senators on board with a good bipartisan plan. But a compromise would earn him the ire of the Squad.
    You think they're going to cross McConnell?

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