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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Certainly the scriptwriters weren't interested in bothering to imagine space as a three dimensional vacuum where motion is subject to the laws of Relativity (except when the limitations of lightspeed needed to be handwaved away). They wrote what they knew - naval actions on the two dimensional surface of a planet - and just changed the setting to "outer space" with no particular care for the actual differences between deep space and a planetary surface.
    My favorite example:

    Spock: "He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking."

    Kirk: "Z minus 10,000 meters."

    For the direction the Enterprise needed to move along in order to get out of the plane of Khan's two dimensional movements to be the Z axis, the Enterprise would need to have started out lined up with that plane. I.e., Kirk's pattern also indicates two dimensional thinking. Kirk's experienced; what's his excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomb#20 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Certainly the scriptwriters weren't interested in bothering to imagine space as a three dimensional vacuum where motion is subject to the laws of Relativity (except when the limitations of lightspeed needed to be handwaved away). They wrote what they knew - naval actions on the two dimensional surface of a planet - and just changed the setting to "outer space" with no particular care for the actual differences between deep space and a planetary surface.
    My favorite example:

    Spock: "He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking."

    Kirk: "Z minus 10,000 meters."

    For the direction the Enterprise needed to move along in order to get out of the plane of Khan's two dimensional movements to be the Z axis, the Enterprise would need to have started out lined up with that plane. I.e., Kirk's pattern also indicates two dimensional thinking. Kirk's experienced; what's his excuse?
    Against a competent opponent it probably doesn't matter.

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    In Star Trek universe, space itself seems to be two-dimensional, not just the thinking of inexperienced captains. Observe the shock wave in the beginning of Undiscovered Country:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
    In Star Trek universe, space itself seems to be two-dimensional, not just the thinking of inexperienced captains. Observe the shock wave in the beginning of Undiscovered Country:

    The 2-d explosion is an annoying sci-fi trope. Was really bothered when Lucas added it to the original Death Star explosion.

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    It is strange how you can hear explosions in space, but what do I know.

    In STNG they had sub space beacons, a navigation system. I suppose sub space is like the space beneath a floor in a house. Wires you don't see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowy Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
    In Star Trek universe, space itself seems to be two-dimensional, not just the thinking of inexperienced captains. Observe the shock wave in the beginning of Undiscovered Country:

    The 2-d explosion is an annoying sci-fi trope. Was really bothered when Lucas added it to the original Death Star explosion.
    I always pictured the 2D boom being that the Death Star basically came apart at the trench, a lot of the blast energy came out where the trench was. There had to be something of a weakness there since the thermal exhaust port had a straight line down to the reactor in it's heart--and I can't believe there was only one such port. They just shot at one to avoid splitting their forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
    In Star Trek universe, space itself seems to be two-dimensional, not just the thinking of inexperienced captains. Observe the shock wave in the beginning of Undiscovered Country:

    The 2-d explosion is an annoying sci-fi trope. Was really bothered when Lucas added it to the original Death Star explosion.
    I always pictured the 2D boom being that the Death Star basically came apart at the trench, a lot of the blast energy came out where the trench was. There had to be something of a weakness there since the thermal exhaust port had a straight line down to the reactor in it's heart--and I can't believe there was only one such port. They just shot at one to avoid splitting their forces.
    If you watch the edited Episode 4 I believe you’ll see that the explosion doesn’t line up with the tench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomb#20 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Certainly the scriptwriters weren't interested in bothering to imagine space as a three dimensional vacuum where motion is subject to the laws of Relativity (except when the limitations of lightspeed needed to be handwaved away). They wrote what they knew - naval actions on the two dimensional surface of a planet - and just changed the setting to "outer space" with no particular care for the actual differences between deep space and a planetary surface.
    My favorite example:

    Spock: "He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking."

    Kirk: "Z minus 10,000 meters."

    For the direction the Enterprise needed to move along in order to get out of the plane of Khan's two dimensional movements to be the Z axis, the Enterprise would need to have started out lined up with that plane. I.e., Kirk's pattern also indicates two dimensional thinking. Kirk's experienced; what's his excuse?
    He thought it was a taser?

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