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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Is it just me, or does "You find yourself in the Cretaceous" sound like a tourism slogan?

    It just needs a picture of a smiling young lady leaving bare footprints on the beach at sunset, with maybe a T-rex and an erupting volcano in the background, Pterosaurs wheeling overhead...
    Don't forget the AR-15 in her hands. You can't visit the Cretaceous without one.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
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    The world we live in is a far cry from the conditions before human impact on the environment. How many 19th century mountain men, trappers, etc, were taken by bears, wolves or caugers...better to have a means of defense than not.
    Colonizing forces who didn't really understand the landscape they were in, its dangers, or how to deal with them effectively. A landscape which, incidentally, was not uninhabited before their arrival, and whose ecological balance was badly damaged by their resulting mass predator kills, damage we are only now starting to repair. So this idea of going back in time to shoot all the tyrannosaurs... it has precedent. Not good precedent. Not good times. I'd rather a time traveler kill themselves than risk the entire future (our present) of the world just so they can go on some boyish primeval power trip.
    Dude, I don't think anyone here is talking about going on some Rambo-eque hunting trip to the Cretaceous to, as you say, "shoot all the tyrannosaurs" and engage in some "boyish primeval power trip". They are talking about bringing a weapon as a means of defense. There's also a lot of tongue in cheek commentary here that you may be taking a little too seriously. And yes, a time traveler could put the future at risk by changing the timeline. That's true of a time travel trip to the past to, say, sit around and talk about world peace with Budda or Jesus. I think we can all agree that time travel to the past is just a really, really bad idea were it even possible. Fun to think about though.
    Yes, it seems that no matter what you say, a different version pops up. If a gun is taken on an expedition for self defense against dangerous predators, there is sure to be a mindless massacre of T Rex.

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    Dude, I don't think anyone here is talking about going on some Rambo-eque hunting trip to the Cretaceous to, as you say, "shoot all the tyrannosaurs" and engage in some "boyish primeval power trip". They are talking about bringing a weapon as a means of defense. There's also a lot of tongue in cheek commentary here that you may be taking a little too seriously. And yes, a time traveler could put the future at risk by changing the timeline. That's true of a time travel trip to the past to, say, sit around and talk about world peace with Budda or Jesus. I think we can all agree that time travel to the past is just a really, really bad idea were it even possible. Fun to think about though.
    Yes, it seems that no matter what you say, a different version pops up. If a gun is taken on an expedition for self defense against dangerous predators, there is sure to be a mindless massacre of T Rex.
    You brought up the trappers and colonizers, DBT. Tell me, where are all the wolves? The bison? The beaver?

    I'm questioning the point of this thread. If "what gun should I bring" is the only question you can think of with respect to the Cretaceous Period, it says more about you than it does about the ancient landscape in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
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    Dude, I don't think anyone here is talking about going on some Rambo-eque hunting trip to the Cretaceous to, as you say, "shoot all the tyrannosaurs" and engage in some "boyish primeval power trip". They are talking about bringing a weapon as a means of defense. There's also a lot of tongue in cheek commentary here that you may be taking a little too seriously. And yes, a time traveler could put the future at risk by changing the timeline. That's true of a time travel trip to the past to, say, sit around and talk about world peace with Budda or Jesus. I think we can all agree that time travel to the past is just a really, really bad idea were it even possible. Fun to think about though.
    Yes, it seems that no matter what you say, a different version pops up. If a gun is taken on an expedition for self defense against dangerous predators, there is sure to be a mindless massacre of T Rex.
    You brought up the trappers and colonizers, DBT. Tell me, where are all the wolves? The bison? The beaver?

    I'm questioning the point of this thread. If "what gun should I bring" is the only question you can think of with respect to the Cretaceous Period, it says more about you than it does about the ancient landscape in question.
    Another Strawman, I said nothing about trapping, colonizing or hunting in the cretaceous.

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    I would think that it should be obvious that anyone who fails to plan on how to survive before venturing into an "unknown territory" likely won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    I would think that it should be obvious that anyone who fails to plan on how to survive before venturing into an "unknown territory" likely won't.
    That I very much agree with. You don't need to travel to the Cretaceous to find people perishing from a lack of planning in wild spaces.
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    Does anyone really think a human body can travel back in time?

    I think we could get to Mars if we wanted to.

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    Obviously it's a hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Obviously it's a hypothetical.
    It's an exercise in creative writing. Science fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse
    A time traveler who doesn't want their own species to suddenly blip out of existence should be trying to minimize, not maximize, their impact on the target landscape.
    So, do you think that that is possible? How do you get out of the grandfather paradox?
    One possibility is that the time traveller actually got to a parallel universe. Humans do not exist, and I do not see why he would have an obligation to try to bring about that tens of millions of years later they come into existence. I see no good reason to suspect he has a good chance of precisely influencing the future in that manner.

    Another possibility is that it's some kind of close curve. But whatever it is, if it's our universe, humans do exist in the present.

    If you are not convinced and think there is an alternative, I would ask what you mean that humans "suddenly blip out of existence". Does it happen to present-day humans, as if Thanos snapped his fingers? When? In 2021? Maybe 1934? 1492? 2223?

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