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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
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    In the US a good American despises monarchy and all that goes with it.

    He was a human and one can feel empathy for the people that actually knew him and are mourning.

    But the institution he was a part of is despicable.

    There are many in the US however that worship the monarchy of England like mindless children.
    Oprah?
    Yes, there are also many in the US that worship Oprah like mindless children.

    Celebrity worship seems to be a very common trait amongst humans. It's a key element of tribalism, and the central plank of demagoguery.

    It was useful when humans lived in small bands and villages, where submission to the will of those who had achieved reknown allowed those small bands to work together under a single warlord more effectively, despite the warlord himself being a distant figure rather than a close friend or relative.

    But it's counterproductive today. Fame is toxic, and is no longer even vaguely correlated with ability, knowledge, or even strength. But people are still wired to respect the famous, so they take health advice from Gwyneth Paltrow or Dr Oz, and accept that the opinions and person of the Duke of Edinburgh are more respectable and important than the opinions or persons of those of lower aristocratic rank (or none).

    Replacing the aristocracy with the famous and wealthy isn't as big a change as many of those nominally opposed to monarchy would like to think. The whole business of fame needs to go - or at least be restricted to respect for those who actually achieve something, and even then, only for their actions in their field of achievement.

    Prince Phillip was a naval officer during the war, and did some brave and impressive things - as did plenty of other men in similar positions. He grew into a bigoted old git - as did plenty of other men of his generation. I am sure his friends and family are very sad at his death. I am equally sure that those of us who never met him shouldn't care, and that if we do, it's symptomatic of a deep seated failure of human society that elevates this individual so far above the hundreds of thousands of other people who died in the same twenty four hour period, many of whom contributed more to the good of humanity and their communities than he.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    If you are saying that Oprah's world view is on the level of a child and that is one reason she has such wide appeal I would agree.
    She had a big interview with the succubus who cut off Harry’s balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
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    If you are saying that Oprah's world view is on the level of a child and that is one reason she has such wide appeal I would agree.
    She had a big interview with the succubus who cut off Harry’s balls.
    Oprah is where she is based on her talents.

    Not based on her parents and order of birth.

    That Harry does not think the monarchy is for him speaks well of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
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    I do not understand why people in the US are so interested in British Royalty. This is not to say that the British should not be. I understand that there is a fair about of debate about the British Royalty in the UK. But why do US people care so much? At least it's harmless I suppose.
    It might have to do with childhood fairy tales. Little girls want to be princesses and they want little boys to be their prince charmings or knights in shining armor.
    Could be. For me I do feel an affinity toward England perhaps because of the old movies that I enjoy and that many of my ancestors came from there - over 300 years ago. But Royalty? Na. I can't be bothered.

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    Tribe in South Pacific who worshiped Phillip as a god.

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    What a life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SLD View Post
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    Too soon?
    Did you swipe right or left zipr?
    I'm a happily married man. I don't know what swiping means.
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

    Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor but because we can't satisfy the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfingers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfingers View Post
    I do not understand why people in the US are so interested in British Royalty. This is not to say that the British should not be. I understand that there is a fair about of debate about the British Royalty in the UK. But why do US people care so much? At least it's harmless I suppose.
    It might have to do with childhood fairy tales. Little girls want to be princesses and they want little boys to be their prince charmings or knights in shining armor.
    Could be. For me I do feel an affinity toward England perhaps because of the old movies that I enjoy and that many of my ancestors came from there - over 300 years ago. But Royalty? Na. I can't be bothered.
    I'm half British and Half German. Supposedly on the British side I have a royal bloodline and our family has a castle. Other than a fun story to tell, that's as far as it goes for me.
    When conservatives realize they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will abandon democracy.

    Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor but because we can't satisfy the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
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    Could be. For me I do feel an affinity toward England perhaps because of the old movies that I enjoy and that many of my ancestors came from there - over 300 years ago. But Royalty? Na. I can't be bothered.
    I'm half British and Half German. Supposedly on the British side I have a royal bloodline and our family has a castle. Other than a fun story to tell, that's as far as it goes for me.
    Ya that's about me. England, Austria and Germany. My great uncles on both sides traced the ancestry back a ton. There are 1140 ancestors in my family tree which I entered into Family Tree Maker. My mom's side goes back to 8 of the original Mayflower Pilgrims. One is William Brewster. Once you get there his lineage is readily available in published form. There are all kinds of Kings on that side back to El Cid. But I'd bet that by now at least have of all people who descended from English ancestors have some ancient royalty along the way. It's doing the digging that's hard. I was lucky that that digging was done for me.

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    Lizzie will probably last another twenty years. Once Charles is king (assuming he also lasts that long) we can have another run at republicanism in the former colonies.

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