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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    I've always thought that this question was the most damaging aspect against God: that he dosn't make himself heard. Only an evil entity would design a system where people could only avoid the torture of hell if they follow the odd/contradicting/confusing/metaphoric/strange writings from people 2,000 years ago!
    Ditto.

    Consider.

    Are most ideologies not built on the carrot stick type of ideology/theology/secular law?

    In our hierarchical world dualistic universe, I see this as normal and desirable.

    Mitigating the harm our carrot and stick ideologies poorly is why we have been gifted with 5,000 years of war history from our vile religions.

    We are getting better quickly though as modernization kills the gids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    I've always thought that this question was the most damaging aspect against God: that he dosn't make himself heard. Only an evil entity would design a system where people could only avoid the torture of hell if they follow the odd/contradicting/confusing/metaphoric/strange writings from people 2,000 years ago!
    That's probably the correct answer, that the gods are just the stories. Unlike other objects in stories that have an actual physical presence outside the story, without the stories about gods there aren't actually any gods, and never have been.
    Your logical fallacy is noted.

    Using the word "likely never" corrects that.

    Remember the atheist bus signs? Rhetorical.

    We agree on the supernatural idiocies, but to just throw out your truth, --- would have many ignore the harm that those imaginary gods are still doing, --- with their homophobic and misogynous teachings to otherwise moral children.

    There out to be a law against preaching against the law of the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post

    Your logical fallacy is noted.
    What's worse, a logical fallacy or an illogical fallacy?

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    Man in the Bronze Age or even Stone Age were much less knowledgeable than we are today, but their views on spirituality are underestimated, I think.

    When people spoke of a "spirit in the mountain" they didn't expect to see a giant hid away in a mountain cave: the whole mountain was the spirit. In Thailand every building has an associated spirit-house; these relate to an animism that predates(?) Buddhism. Nobody expects the spirits "living in the spirit-house" to appear or speak.

    Ancient Gods were usually ancestors who'd died and now inhabit some vague "astral plane." Sometimes a relic or statue was created, but sophisticates understood these to be metaphors or points of focus for individual worship, prayer or meditation. Stories about Mt. Olympus were just that: stories.

    The God of Israel may seem like an exception, but his existence on a vague astral plane rather than as flesh-and-blood, is even more clear-cut. The God Marduk was represented by a human-looking statue in Babylon, but Yahweh manifested itself as a burning bush to Moses, or spoke from "between the Cherubim." Sure, a few contrary passages can be found in the Bible ("And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness") but these were not a serious part of the religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    ("And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness") but these were not a serious part of the religion.
    That’s gonna sting a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    I've always thought that this question was the most damaging aspect against God: that he dosn't make himself heard. Only an evil entity would design a system where people could only avoid the torture of hell if they follow the odd/contradicting/confusing/metaphoric/strange writings from people 2,000 years ago!
    If you view all of the bible literally god made a bet with satan over Job. God rains shit down on loyal Job trying to make a point with satan.

    The story is rather Trump like....abuse of power.

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    Or that time Moses saw God's shapely buttocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Gods are like birds chirping in a dense forest. You walk towards the sound but then it is somewhere else..
    God does not exclude the death.

    He finds another way of communicating.

    I speak of the spark of life that is god in you.

    You look and do not see the forest for the trees.

    Not all religionists are brain dead believers in the supernatural.

    You try to box us all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    Man in the Bronze Age or even Stone Age were much less knowledgeable than we are today, but their views on spirituality are underestimated, I think.

    When people spoke of a "spirit in the mountain" they didn't expect to see a giant hid away in a mountain cave: the whole mountain was the spirit. In Thailand every building has an associated spirit-house; these relate to an animism that predates(?) Buddhism. Nobody expects the spirits "living in the spirit-house" to appear or speak.

    Ancient Gods were usually ancestors who'd died and now inhabit some vague "astral plane." Sometimes a relic or statue was created, but sophisticates understood these to be metaphors or points of focus for individual worship, prayer or meditation. Stories about Mt. Olympus were just that: stories.

    The God of Israel may seem like an exception, but his existence on a vague astral plane rather than as flesh-and-blood, is even more clear-cut. The God Marduk was represented by a human-looking statue in Babylon, but Yahweh manifested itself as a burning bush to Moses, or spoke from "between the Cherubim." Sure, a few contrary passages can be found in the Bible ("And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness") but these were not a serious part of the religion.
    So, as religious behavior has progressed over human history gods have gone from being ghosty stories to becoming actual characters with human existence. Not so unusual actually considering the evolution of the human brain and the arrival of scientific thought over that same time.

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    Do gods have toilets? Do they eat?

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